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    Baroque operas; where do we go?

    Baroque operas; where do we go?

    I would like to say I'm new to baroque but the fact is I'm just generally new to opera.

    I recently discovered Handel; Oh the beauty!
    And Gluck; such romance!

    Each opera that I have heard I have completely fallen in love with.
    *** Handel: Tolomeo, Giulio Cesare, Alcina, Ariodante, Serse, Rodelinda
    *** Gluck: Iphegenie en Tauride, Orfeo ed Euridice, Paride ed Elena

    I want to hear the magnificence and joy of EVERY Handel and Gluck opera but I want to know where else can I go?

    Which composers of these periods are your favourites and which operas?

    Please share your experiences.

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    A selection - not everything....

    Vivaldi: Orlando Furioso, Ercole sul Termodonte, Motezuma, Catone in Utica, Tito Manlio for starters.

    Hasse: Didone Abbandonata

    Vinci: Artaserse, La Partenope

    Cavalli: Elena, La Didone, La Calisto, Ercole Amante

    Monteverdi: L'Incoronazione di Poppea, Il Ritorno D'Ulisse in Patria, L'Orfeo

    Lully: Atys, Armide

    Rameau: Les Indes Galantes, Les Boreades, Les Paladins (defy you not to dance to this, and you'll probably fall in love with Patricia Petibon who comes in at about 1.55)



    Purcell: Dido and Aeneas, Fairy Queen, King Arthur (Cold song from the latter):




    ...and if you're in the mood for a bit of a larf, there's always John Gay's "The Beggar's Opera"
    Natalie

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    another thorough Sensei post Oh thank you!

    I will be looking at all of these.

    If someone had asked me if I liked Hasse before, I would have said I like all types of avocado.

    post script. I am already in love with Patricia Petibon, only one glimpse of beauty is enough to turn me.

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    This is a very cool recording:

    Natalie

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    That was in my shopping basket yesterday!

    I thought tasty looking but the shop copy CD case was cracked (Clayton too embarrassed by his box obsession to ask for new copy) so I put it back!

    I will order it on their online store next time I buy...

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    And either (both, hehe) of these (Alma recommends the Sarah Connolly one in his Purcell thread, and you get Lucy Crowe and Gerald Finley too. But I just love love love Emma Kirkby as Lucinda.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Soave_Fanciulla View Post
    And either (both, hehe) of these (Alma recommends the Sarah Connolly one in his Purcell thread, and you get Lucy Crowe and Gerald Finley too. But I just love love love Emma Kirkby as Lucinda.


    That's gotta be some kinda Lucinda...

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    Well, just to avoid any confusion (although I understand Clayton is an audio guy, not a video one) regarding Connolly's Dido and Aeneas, the recommendation is for the audio recording, not the video. As a matter of fact, the video I said "not recommended," due to the fact that the dancers are so annoying, and the other roles are not as good as the ones in the audio recording. The audio gets the same Sarah Connolly and Lucy Crowe, but also gets Finley and Bardon, much superior to their counterparts in video.

    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva) View Post
    Well, just to avoid any confusion (although I understand Clayton is an audio guy, not a video one) regarding Connolly's Dido and Aeneas, the recommendation is for the audio recording, not the video. As a matter of fact, the video I said "not recommended," due to the fact that the dancers are so annoying, and the other roles are not as good as the ones in the audio recording. The audio gets the same Sarah Connolly and Lucy Crowe, but also gets Finley and Bardon, much superior to their counterparts in video.

    That's why I posted a picture of the CD. I didn't post one of the DVD. I agree it isn't much good - I hated the dance element.
    Last edited by Soave_Fanciulla; January 30th, 2014 at 11:17 PM. Reason: removed double post part
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soave_Fanciulla View Post
    That's why I posted a picture of the CD. I didn't post one of the DVD. I agree it isn't much good - I hated the dance element.
    Yes, kind of unnecessary post of mine; I read your post without scrolling down and replied without noticing that you had already posted the CD cover, so your post wasn't ambiguous at all.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    When in doubt, just go for Vivaldi. It is always a good choice.

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    Every time I hear a Hasse aria I think it is gorgeous. Max Emanuel Cencic's ROKOKO album is wending its way to me:



    And Valer Barna-Sabadus does a lovely job with these:

    Natalie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Festat View Post
    When in doubt, just go for Vivaldi. It is always a good choice.
    Yes, and there is such a treasury of delights from the Naive edition. You could just go the whole hog, currently 20% off at Presto:



    Orlando finto pazzo, RV727
    Antonio Abete, Gemma Bertagnolli, Marina Comparato, Sonia Prina, Martin Oro & Marianna Pizzolato
    Coro del Teatro Regio di Torino & Academia Montis Regalis, Alessandro de Marchi

    Juditha Triumphans, RV644
    Magdalena Kozena
    Academia Montis Regalis, Alessandro de Marchi

    Tito Manlio RV 738
    Dramma per musica on a libretto by Matteo Noris
    Nicola Ulivieri, Karina Gauvin, Debora Beronesi, Ann Hallenberg, Marijana Mijanovic, Barbara Di Castri, Mark Milhofer & Christian Senn
    Accademia Bizantina, Ottavio Dantone

    La Verità in cimento
    Opera in three acts RV739
    Nathalie Stutzmann, Gemma Bertagnoli, Sara Mingardo, Guillemette Laurens, Philippe Jaroussky & Anthony Rolfe Johnson
    Ensemble Matheus, Jean-Christophe Spinosi

    Orlando Furioso, RV728
    Marie-Nicole Lemieux, Jennifer Larmore, Veronica Cangemi, Philippe Jaroussky, Lorenzo Regazzo, Ann Hallenberg & Blandine Staskiewicz
    Choeur Les Eléments & Ensemble Matheus, an-Christophe Spinosi

    Atenaide
    world première
    Sandrine Piau & Vivica Genaux (sopranos), Guillemette Laurens & Romina Basso (mezzo sopranos), Nathalie Stutzmann (contralto) Paul Agnew & Stefano Ferrari (tenors)
    Modo Antiquo, Federico Maria Sardelli

    L'Olimpiade RV725
    Marianna Kulikova (mezzo-soprano), Laura Giordano (soprano), Riccardo Novaro (baritone) & Sergio Foresti (bass)
    Concerto Italiano, Rinaldo Alessandrini

    Griselda, RV718
    world première recording
    Griselda: Marie-Nicole Lemieux (contralto), Costanza: Veronica Cangemi (soprano), Ottone: Simone Kermes (soprano), Roberto: Philippe Jaroussky (countertenor), Gualtiero: Stefano Ferrari (tenor) & Corrado: Iestyn Davies (countertenor)
    Ensemble Matheus, Jean-Christophe Spinosi

    Farnace
    First time available as part of the Vivaldi Edition
    Le Concert des Nations, Jordi Savall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Festat View Post
    When in doubt, just go for Vivaldi. It is always a good choice.
    Yes, and there is such a treasury of delights from the Naive edition. You could just go the whole hog, currently 20% off at Presto:



    Orlando finto pazzo, RV727
    Antonio Abete, Gemma Bertagnolli, Marina Comparato, Sonia Prina, Martin Oro & Marianna Pizzolato
    Coro del Teatro Regio di Torino & Academia Montis Regalis, Alessandro de Marchi

    Juditha Triumphans, RV644
    Magdalena Kozena
    Academia Montis Regalis, Alessandro de Marchi

    Tito Manlio RV 738
    Dramma per musica on a libretto by Matteo Noris
    Nicola Ulivieri, Karina Gauvin, Debora Beronesi, Ann Hallenberg, Marijana Mijanovic, Barbara Di Castri, Mark Milhofer & Christian Senn
    Accademia Bizantina, Ottavio Dantone

    La Verità in cimento
    Opera in three acts RV739
    Nathalie Stutzmann, Gemma Bertagnoli, Sara Mingardo, Guillemette Laurens, Philippe Jaroussky & Anthony Rolfe Johnson
    Ensemble Matheus, Jean-Christophe Spinosi

    Orlando Furioso, RV728
    Marie-Nicole Lemieux, Jennifer Larmore, Veronica Cangemi, Philippe Jaroussky, Lorenzo Regazzo, Ann Hallenberg & Blandine Staskiewicz
    Choeur Les Eléments & Ensemble Matheus, an-Christophe Spinosi

    Atenaide
    world première
    Sandrine Piau & Vivica Genaux (sopranos), Guillemette Laurens & Romina Basso (mezzo sopranos), Nathalie Stutzmann (contralto) Paul Agnew & Stefano Ferrari (tenors)
    Modo Antiquo, Federico Maria Sardelli

    L'Olimpiade RV725
    Marianna Kulikova (mezzo-soprano), Laura Giordano (soprano), Riccardo Novaro (baritone) & Sergio Foresti (bass)
    Concerto Italiano, Rinaldo Alessandrini

    Griselda, RV718
    world première recording
    Griselda: Marie-Nicole Lemieux (contralto), Costanza: Veronica Cangemi (soprano), Ottone: Simone Kermes (soprano), Roberto: Philippe Jaroussky (countertenor), Gualtiero: Stefano Ferrari (tenor) & Corrado: Iestyn Davies (countertenor)
    Ensemble Matheus, Jean-Christophe Spinosi

    Farnace
    First time available as part of the Vivaldi Edition
    Le Concert des Nations, Jordi Savall
    Natalie

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    I would suggest this



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    http://http://www.amazon.co.uk/Op%C3%A9ra-Baroque-George-Frideric-Handel/dp/B00DHCJLWG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391504709&sr=8-1&keywords=baroque+operas

    You have 19 beautiful operas (39 cd) in first class edition for 76 pound

    These are the operas

    1. Comedia madrigalesca & Madrigali in genere rappresentativo
    2. MONTEVERDI L Orfeo (DVD) - Jacobs
    3. MONTEVERDI L incoronazione di Poppea - Jacobs
    4. CAVALLI La Calisto - Jacobs
    5. SCARLATTI Griselda - Jacobs
    6. LULLY Atys - Christie
    7. CHARPENTIER Médée - Christie
    8. CHARPENTIER Le malade imaginaire - Christie
    9. CAMPRA Idoménée - Christie
    10. RAMEAU Les Indes galantes - Christie
    11. BLOW Venus and Adonis -Christie
    12. PURCELL Dido and Aeneas - Jacobs
    13. HÄNDEL Rinaldo - Jacobs
    14. HÄNDEL Flavio - Jacobs
    15. HÄNDEL Giulio Cesare (DVD) - Mortensen
    16. Ouvertüren für die Hamburger Oper
    17. KEISER Croesus - Jacobs
    18. TELEMANN Orpheus - Jacobs
    19. GRAUN Cleopatra e Cesare - Jacobs

    Scarlatti Griselda and Charpentier Medee are two masterworks of baroque opera.
    They were the only two I didn't have ( the operas in the box are mainly Jacobs and Christie conducted and as I like very much both I had already bought these editions) but I bought the box the same, because was more expensive to buy the two operas alone

    Apart from Handel, Monteverdi Purcell ecc. (Rinaldo is one of the best Haendel opera)
    I like very much Keiser Croesus.
    I haven't listened yet Telemann Orpheus but I like Telemann very much so It should be beautiful
    Cavalli was the composer in which you can see the passage beetween Monteverdi operas (which are VERY different from a 1700 opera) to the baroque operas, but you can see this in his last operas, La Calisto is basically again in Poppea style.
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    I was a bit dismissive about this box set when I first saw it (about 4 months ago when I started listening to opera) as there were too many names I didn't know and it looked like too much for me.

    Now I look at it again and especially after your comments, I am very tempted now.

    Of course there is the bonus that as my listening is still at a very early stage there is NOTHING in the set that I already have!

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