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    Quote Originally Posted by peteralba View Post
    Hi thanks for your kind comments i'm really thrilled that people are as appreciative about the books as I am,
    and no i haven't considered getting them valued as there not going anywhere

    regards
    I don't blame you. I wouldn't want to sell them if they were mine but I was thinking of conservation and for insurance purposes?
    "The world calls them its singers and poets and artists and storytellers; but they are just people who have never forgotten the way to fairyland."
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    Quote Originally Posted by sospiro View Post
    I don't blame you. I wouldn't want to sell them if they were mine but I was thinking of conservation and for insurance purposes?
    Yes, I think a professional evaluation can give you lots of good information about the books.

    I love the pictures. Please keep posting your favourites.

    This will be a popular thread and I am sure someone will come forward soon with good information.

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    Hi a final batch for today as you have created a monster i'll have you sick of Il Teatro Illustrato in no time Have taken on board your comments about a valuation maybe as a good source of information but confident that youguys will be a great source of info and prefer to do as much as I can on my own.
    so once again thanks for your kind comments and will keep my fingers crossed.

    Regards Peter

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    Wow, this is great! Spectacular pictures!
    I am sending this from intermission in a beautiful production of Rusalka... Review to follow in the Live reviews thread.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    I LOVE the theatre cross section - like a doll's house.
    Natalie

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    Rainy day in Scotland so the camera's out
    hope you enjoy

    Regards Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by peteralba View Post
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    Rainy day in Scotland so the camera's out
    hope you enjoy

    Regards Peter
    Sorry Scotland but if this is the only effect of rain, I hope it $%&&?£ down all day!

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    Last bunch for today ,thanks Clayton (if I was to take my camera out everytime it rained here I would catch a lens disease) and also to all the members who have liked or thanked for the posts ,it is appreciated and happy to continue posting photos at convenient times.still hoping someone comes along and gives us some background or history to the books,so fingers crossed.

    Regards Peter

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    Thanks once again peteralba for taking photos and posting them on here. Stunning.
    "The world calls them its singers and poets and artists and storytellers; but they are just people who have never forgotten the way to fairyland."
    Lucy Maud Montgomery

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    what a fascinating book!
    I didn't know it
    I made a little research on italian sites and found two interesting links

    here you can find the pdf version of the first twelve numbers

    http://cir.campania.beniculturali.it...&query_start=5

    http://digitale.bnnonline.it/atn/doc...to_0-1-2-3.pdf
    http://digitale.bnnonline.it/atn/doc...rato_4-5-6.pdf
    http://digitale.bnnonline.it/atn/doc...rato_7-8-9.pdf
    http://digitale.bnnonline.it/atn/doc...o_10-11-12.pdf

    and the first year is also on sale on ebay.it

    http://www.ebay.it/itm/Raro-Il-teatr...item461da71c8d

    They send it all over the world

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    Thank you mario.
    I appreciate you taking the time to research the books.
    I had already came across the ebay listing while searching the internet for Info, i won't tell you my reaction when i saw how much he wanted but needless to say the wife won't be finding out.
    However the other links are new to me and more in depth than anything i have found ,so thanks for that.

    I think one of the biggest queries I have is , initially i assumed they were a monthly periodical bound together similair to say the Opera monthly in today's terms. but now because of the quality ( but was that the norm then ?) and the relative scarcity I'm not sure. Were they a limited number published for the opera elite and wealthy patrons or were they just sold in the lobby going into the operas and have been lost or discarded over the years ? .I look at the pictures and all the theatres are filled to capacity, was the Illustrato a standard review magazine or an elitist collector's magazine.

    I would love to try and find out it's circulation and to whom it was available ,also it's relevance in terms to Opera and opera audiences at the time. Was it one of several Opera publications available at the time and could I have bought it then ??

    No pressure then ...Sorry I appreciate I'm rambling.

    Thanks again

    Regards peter

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    The first page (pdf files that Mario posted) has in the top left corner subscription prices and I can't see clearly but it looks like different prices for world regions. So I am guessing this is for the magazine. Maybe the bound versions are for those who made an extra purchase?


    The publisher Edoardo Sonzogno...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edoardo_Sonzogno

    in part responsible for giving us Cavalleria Rusticana!

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    I don't know very well the editorial market of the 1880, but I guess:

    1) Quality doesn't seem different from other magazines of that time. Quality has worsened in the last decades
    2) It was not an elitist collector's magazine, opera was a mass product then, not reserved to elite. The target is probably middle-upper class. Probably the person who bought musical scores published by Sonzogno and Ricordi
    3) The diffusion was not limited to a restricted target. If you read the magazine, they sent it all over the world, indeed you have a copy. They sold it as a single number (50 cent of lira) or annual subscription (6 Liras). To the subcriptors they gave a binder to collect the magazine.
    The "Corriere della Sera", the most important italian newspaper, costed 5 cent in the 1876, so this magazine costed ten times a daily newspaper, which was not a big amount of money

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    Hi once again thanks to clayton and mario for taking the time to reply and patience required.
    I never examined the cover carefully and feel a bit of an idiot but now I know the Italian for subscription prices (prezzi d'abbonamento)

    Re the points raised ,my thanks mario for taking the time to explain , everything you say makes sense and i have learnt more today on this forum than several months of my own research.

    My thanks once again to all and if you don't mind I'll stick around and annoy you with more questions and pictures ,also there are some other books i would like some info on plus any more info on Illustrato most welcome.

    Regards Peter

    “You live and learn. At any rate, you live.”

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    Oh my! This is goosebumping...

    From the issue of 15 Dicembre 1880:

    "Come non si darebbe nel primo numero del Teatro Illustrato, il posto d'onore a Giuseppe Verdi, al più grande dei maestri italiani viventi..."

    This thing was being written with Verdi alive...

    Neat.

    I also loved Carlos Gomes' picture - I know four of his operas and he is a hero in Brazil.

    Great pictures, great thread.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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