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    Opera Lively Site Owner / Administrator / Chief Editor Top Contributor Member Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)'s Avatar
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    I know I'm in the minority, but Richard Strauss' best opera in my humble opinion is Die Frau ohne Schatten. I highly recommend it.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva) View Post
    I know I'm in the minority, but Richard Strauss' best opera in my humble opinion is Die Frau ohne Schatten. I highly recommend it.
    I have plans to see that one, but I haven't heard much bout it (it was his last opera?)

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    YES! That is the word! Thanks lol ever since I stated learning German I have those mix-ups when I can't remmeber the word in english

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    Hi and Welcome!

    We'll have to work on you and the Wagner thing (and Sospiro, too, who has been holding out for far too long...). Germany is a terrific place to be an opera lover - great opera houses and it still has music stores!

    Great group of folks here, enjoy!
    Many thanks Germany is great country for so many things about Wagner, I have nothing against his music, it's just that I don't have time for everything lol to be honest I can process one opera per day, when I have time. I try not to spoil the enjoyment with watching like 3-4 operas cuz then I get all mixed up... + I like to hear/see some operas few times in order to understand them better (like with Elektra, just audio recording didn't work for me, had to see it to actually appreciate it)

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    Welcome!

    I totally understand being weary of Wagner for the length of the works alone. Listening to Wagner is a commitment I'm often not willing to take because I don't usually have 4 or 5 continuous hours, and I absolutely suck at pausing and playing from where I stopped. In the end, I have very much listened first acts and and not enough finales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Festat View Post
    Welcome!

    I totally understand being weary of Wagner for the length of the works alone. Listening to Wagner is a commitment I'm often not willing to take because I don't usually have 4 or 5 continuous hours, and I absolutely suck at pausing and playing from where I stopped. In the end, I have very much listened first acts and and not enough finales.
    If I have "4 or 5 continuous hours" for an opera, I'd dive into Semiramide or William Tell. I tried the Ring on DVD and ended up giving the set to our local library. I am not trying to be argumentative, but the subjective nature of musical enjoyment has always located me in Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Festat View Post
    Welcome!

    I totally understand being weary of Wagner for the length of the works alone. Listening to Wagner is a commitment I'm often not willing to take because I don't usually have 4 or 5 continuous hours, and I absolutely suck at pausing and playing from where I stopped. In the end, I have very much listened first acts and and not enough finales.
    there will be time for his stuff I'm just starting to discover opera so yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by DasNino View Post
    there will be time for his stuff I'm just starting to discover opera so yeah
    I've always been under the impression that Das Rhiengold is Wagner at his most succinct. My first experience with coming to terms with an entire Wagner opera was a DVD of Tristan und Isolde (Jerusalem/Meier, cond. Barenboim) of which I could only ever finish the first act of at any one time because of the pace and the length. The plot is slow, and it's rather long. I watched Das Rneingold on YouTube another day and it was the complete opposite for me. Pithy Wagner. I've grown more accustomed to the slow pace of Tristan und Isolde and now it is one of my favourite operas of all time, and my favourite Wagner opera.

    I'm not so familiar with the Flying Dutchman, but that only goes for about 2 hours (about half an he shorter than Das Rheingold) and there are no sequels (like Das Rheingold has) so it might be a good one to start with as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekrotzar View Post
    I've always been under the impression that Das Rhiengold is Wagner at his most succinct. My first experience with coming to terms with an entire Wagner opera was a DVD of Tristan und Isolde (Jerusalem/Meier, cond. Barenboim) of which I could only ever finish the first act of at any one time because of the pace and the length. The plot is slow, and it's rather long. I watched Das Rneingold on YouTube another day and it was the complete opposite for me. Pithy Wagner. I've grown more accustomed to the slow pace of Tristan und Isolde and now it is one of my favourite operas of all time, and my favourite Wagner opera.

    I'm not so familiar with the Flying Dutchman, but that only goes for about 2 hours (about half an he shorter than Das Rheingold) and there are no sequels (like Das Rheingold has) so it might be a good one to start with as well.
    Lohengrin was my first Wagner love and for a long time the only Wagner opera I liked. Actually I still love it.
    Natalie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soave_Fanciulla View Post
    Lohengrin was my first Wagner love and for a long time the only Wagner opera I liked. Actually I still love it.
    I'll be listening to it sometime in the next fortnight from Bayreuth.
    If you would seek salvation, remember this:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva) View Post
    I know I'm in the minority, but Richard Strauss' best opera in my humble opinion is Die Frau ohne Schatten. I highly recommend it.
    thanks for the recommendation, I am watching it right now it's some russian production

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