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Thread: Fello Verdi-ans: Rank all of his operas! (and the Requiem)

          
   
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    Ok its revision time. I felt somewhat guilty having bought a Verdi Book that I hadn't watched anything new by Verdi since Ernani. So i had a lsitne to the requiem and Falstaff!

    No changes to the top 7 operas.

    No idea where to rank the requiem but its better than Aida and probably Nabucco but not Boccanegra lets put it at number 12

    Falstaff is better than the Requiem so it gets to be number 11.

    1. Rigoletto (My beloved Kubelik recording with Dietrich Renata and Carlo)
    2. Don Carlos (5 act Italian my beloved Solti recording with Ghiaurov Bergonzi Dieskau and Tebaldi)
    3. Il Trovatore (My beloved Karajan with Callas Panerai and Di Stefano)
    4. Un Ballo in Maschera (My other beloved Solti recording)

    Please be aware that the 1 to 4 positions literally change places with each other by the hour or minute I love love love all 4 of them.
    5. La Traviata
    6. Ernani (extremely underrated)
    7. Macbeth

    I only love love these three.

    8.Simon Boccanegra (also underrated)
    9. Luisa Miller (very underrated)
    10. La Forza del destino (Best opening to an overture ever though)
    11. Falstaff (It is a comedy by Verdi!)
    12. Requiem
    I thus only love these ones.

    13. Nabucco (sometimes overrated)
    14. Aida (always overrated expect for some reason by Opera Lively members...)

    Half of me is not even sure how much my opinion of Aida is even the reality anymore. Then I listen to it again and the sheer tedium I find in the plot (it's my least favourite Verdi plot and I include Il Trovatore in that because Il Trovatore is hilarious) and the fact that it has long periods of where nothing is done plot wise (an accusation that cannot be made for Il Trovatore) that even its moments of musical beauty (of which it has admittedly more than a fair few) can not really redeem it. Nabucco is in contrast a romp that I like quite a bit and only took a second listen through till I got a recording (Aida took 3 and a half) though its plot is also slightly shambolic (the tenor literally disappears where does he go nobody seems to know...) Verdi can at least be forgiven for the fact it was early in his career.

    15. Stiffelio

    It is still not a bad opera and at least its plot is interesting.

    Take note Falstaff can and probably will move up as I become better acquainted with it. I found it hugely enjoyable on a first watch (detailed analysis on the watch thread.)

    I feel sad now as I am more than halfway through Verdi's Operas (and requiem) and mainly have only the earliest works to experience new for the first time now ( I am saving Othello until I can no longer wait).
    "Non sono in vena" Rodolfo summing up P.B's feelings on his dissertation.

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    I'm going to do this again as I've listened more

    1) Aida
    2) Don Carlo
    3) La Traviata
    4) Rigoletto
    5) Un Ballo in Mascera
    6) Requiem
    7) Simon Boccanegra
    8) Il Trovotore
    9) La Forza Del Destino
    10) Nabucco
    11) Stiffelio
    12) Falstaff
    13) Jerusalem
    14) Otello
    15) Macbeth
    16) Ernani
    17) Un Giorgno De regno
    18) Giovanna D'arco
    19) I lomardi
    20)I du Foscari
    21) La Battaglia
    22) Atilla
    23) Luisa Miller
    24)Aroldo
    25) Vespri Siciliani
    26) Masdanieri
    27) Oberto
    28) Il Corsaro
    29) Alzira

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonata View Post
    I am fortunate in that I'm able to pretty much turn off the libretto of an opera in my mind if the story is distasteful! I actually approached opera as pure music first before I ever bothered to enter into the theatre of it, so it's kind of easy for me to do
    But do you feel the same about the characters in Shakespeare's OTELLO?

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    I find it hard to pick a favourite, but these tie for first place:
    Don Carlos (5-Act version, French libretto)
    Simon Boccanegra
    Otello

    Then I love LA TRAVIATA.
    Not so keen on AIDA, and I really loathe the Triumphal March. Nevertheless, I am going to see it at ENO soon, because I know the soprano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonora View Post
    But do you feel the same about the characters in Shakespeare's OTELLO?
    I don't dislike the characters either in the play or the opera, I was responding in general terms to someone else who did

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    darn I did this too quickly. Already changes I'd like to make. I'd flip Requiem into the 5th slot, and Ballo in 6th. I should have placed Otello a bit higher because Act 4 has some of his best music. Oh well. we're not being graded on this. Are we? :lol:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonata View Post
    darn I did this too quickly. Already changes I'd like to make. I'd flip Requiem into the 5th slot, and Ballo in 6th. I should have placed Otello a bit higher because Act 4 has some of his best music. Oh well. we're not being graded on this. Are we? :lol:
    Haha! Mine change all the time except for my favourite which is still Simon Boccanegra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ann Lander (sospiro) View Post
    Haha! Mine change all the time except for my favourite which is still Simon Boccanegra.
    Often my favorite is the one I'm listening to Aida and Don Carlo do reign supreme for me though and I don't see that changing

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    Some go up and down for me especially after the top few but 2 things remain consistent. Firstly Aida always tends far below where others place it I have never known exactly why but there has always been something about It that I just find meh. Second early Verdi tends to appeal to me as I quite like the vigorous pace (cabalettas!!!) which is why I like Il Trovatore more than I probably should considering its ridiculous plot with its use of a earlier forms but with Verdi's gifts far more developed.
    "Non sono in vena" Rodolfo summing up P.B's feelings on his dissertation.

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    Otello belongs higher on the list I realize too. As a whole it's not among my favorites, but Act 4 is great, the opening section with Desdemona one of the most beautiful pieces in opera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    1. Jerusalem

    I have no others of Verdi's operas.

    My list just doubled in length:

    1. Aroldo
    2. Jerusalem

    Guess I have a long ways to go,eh?
    Necessities of life: food, water, air, shelter, and opera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    My list just doubled in length:

    Aroldo
    Jerusalem

    Guess I have a long ways to go,eh?
    Why you don't try for beginning with those operas that were filmed? Or watching the videos of those performed in an interesting settings, like Arena di Verona?

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    On my list as first goes the Aida, which introduced me to the world of opera...

    1) Aida

    2) Rigoletto

    3) La Traviata

    4) Un ballo in maschera - a few days ago I listened to the 1940 (Jussi BjŲrling, Zinka Milanov) - OMG

    5) La forza del destino

    6) Don Carlos

    7) Oberto, conte di San Bonifacio

    8) Simon Boccanegra

    9) Nabucco

    10) Luisa Miller

    11) Il Corsaro

    12) Stiffelio

    13) Otello

    14) Falstaff

    15) Macbeth

    Some, like Jerusalem, I still did not hear, other leave me pretty much indifferent

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenaJurinac View Post
    Why you don't try for beginning with those operas that were filmed? Or watching the videos of those performed in an interesting settings, like Arena di Verona?
    I did watch a video of Jerusalem then bought the Video. I have also an Aroldo video in my unwatched pile. Am sidetracked on video watching until I finish a video subtitling project I began a few months ago and am about half way through.
    Necessities of life: food, water, air, shelter, and opera.

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