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    What a load of tripe--The Telegraph opines on the difference between musicals and operas: [clicky]
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    "Opera" composers had never been to an opera: [clicky]
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    Soprano, Evelyn Lear has died at age 86: (actually, this was awhile ago) [clicky]

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyroneslothrop View Post
    What a load of tripe--The Telegraph opines on the difference between musicals and operas: [clicky]
    What aspect of this do you consider tripe? The style of the article, including the anecdote about Sondheim, is silly. But he is pointing out a distinction in musical life in America: the apparent (and sometimes silly) hard line between opera and musical.

    Opera companies perform classic American musicals, like the Lyric Opera of Chicago's Rodgers and Hammerstein project. Sondheim is also regularly performed by opera companies.

    Now I will admit that West Wide Story is a harder work for an opera company to perform, because of how important the Jerome Robbins choreography is to the work. Opera choruses are not known for their dancing skills.

    Personally, I am skeptical of a hard line between opera and musicals. I think of them as the 20th-21st century American equivalent of 19th century French opera comique/bouffe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyroneslothrop View Post
    Soprano, Evelyn Lear has died at age 86: [clicky]
    This is sad news. She was admired in roles as different as Pamina (I have the Böhm recording with her) and Lulu, and was a noted Marschallin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deNoget View Post
    What aspect of this do you consider tripe?
    Tripe:
    The lyrics, too, support the musical genre – serious and they belong to opera; humorous and they belong to the musical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAuer View Post
    This is sad news. She was admired in roles as different as Pamina (I have the Böhm recording with her) and Lulu, and was a noted Marschallin.
    Indeed.

    Evelyn Lear and Thomas Stewart were long time residents of the Washington, DC metropolitan area. I heard her sing the fairy godmother in Massenet's Cendrillon at the Kennedy Center on two occasions, and she was stellar both times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tyroneslothrop View Post
    Tripe:
    The lyrics, too, support the musical genre – serious and they belong to opera; humorous and they belong to the musical.
    Yes, that is a silly line. An idea with a long history though: connecting serious and "higher" against comedy and "lower." A distinction that often gets blurred as genres evolve, like Carmen as an opera comique. Or Sweeney Todd as a musical comedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deNoget View Post
    Yes, that is a silly line. An idea with a long history though: connecting serious and "higher" against comedy and "lower." A distinction that often gets blurred as genres evolve, like Carmen as an opera comique. Or Sweeney Todd as a musical comedy.
    Yes, and Sweeney Todd was followed by such musicals on serious topics as Les Misérables, Phantom of the Opera, and even Rent. That said, perhaps even though it uses rock music, I think it's Rent that best highlights the differences between the musical and opera subgenres, as it can pretty much be compared directly with La bohème with regard to topic and contrasted in approach.

    The works themselves aside, I also personally think of opera singers as singers who are sometimes called on to dance, while I consider musical singers as dancers who are sometimes called on to sing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyroneslothrop View Post
    The works themselves aside, I also personally think of opera singers as singers who are sometimes called on to dance, while I consider musical singers as dancers who are sometimes called on to sing.
    Unless it's French Baroque opera. Then you've got singers who *alternate* with dancers.

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    All over Britain, people are dreaming the opera dream – and that doesn’t just mean they’d love to see La Bohème at Covent Garden, it also means that they long to make their own contributions to the art form as well. [clicky]
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    Everything that Kevin Puts writes about composing symphonies in this little piece, I'd wager also applies to composing operas: [clicky]
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    Gatti's readings of Wagner never fail to impress me--I think he did an outstanding job with Parsifal a few months ago at the Met conducting score-lessly. I really hope this new Herheim Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg will be released on video: [clicky]
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    I have mixed feelings about this review on Britten's Curlew River performed at Tanglewood, but the review is interesting nonetheless: [clicky]. I do wish I could see it, but except for some at its 75th anniversary celebration, none of the Tanglewood productions have ever seemed to make it to video.
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    Very impressive. Glyndebourne has been filling 96% of their seats also. The Met needs to take a page from their book. [clicky]
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