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    Opera Lively Site Owner / Administrator / Chief Editor Top Contributor Member Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)'s Avatar
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    Software issues? Has anybody else noticed anything wrong? From my end it looked all peachy, yesterday, and today the site is responsive and fast as well. If you see widespread problems, let me know.

    Yesterday I watched a Roméo et Juliette DVD, and today I'm listening to two contemporary operas on CD, Nelligan, and Emmeline. I've reviewed all three in the appropriate sections.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva) View Post
    ... If you see widespread problems, let me know...
    I see that there is a significant widespread opera addiction afflicting our community but am unable to assess whether this is a problem.

    Other than that A okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva) View Post
    Software issues? Has anybody else noticed anything wrong? From my end it looked all peachy, yesterday, and today the site is responsive and fast as well. If you see widespread problems, let me know.

    Yesterday I watched a Roméo et Juliette DVD, and today I'm listening to two contemporary operas on CD, Nelligan, and Emmeline. I've reviewed all three in the appropriate sections.
    I'm not sure what was going on, but couldn't get the 'insert image' button to cooperate - when I clicked on the menu bar button, it responded with a different graphic that did not include the 'basic uploader' sub-button and nothing I clicked on the graphic worked. All was well this morning, so don't know what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoffmann View Post
    I'm not sure what was going on, but couldn't get the 'insert image' button to cooperate - when I clicked on the menu bar button, it responded with a different graphic that did not include the 'basic uploader' sub-button and nothing I clicked on the graphic worked. All was well this morning, so don't know what happened.
    Weird, I have no clue; haven't seen this issue myself. Maybe there was some server maintenance and temporary malfunction.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva) View Post
    Weird, I have no clue; haven't seen this issue myself. Maybe there was some server maintenance and temporary malfunction.
    That was my guess, as well.

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    For a budget recording, good sound and rather well sung.

    Conductor: Jerzy Semkow
    with:
    Polish Radio Chorus of Krakow
    Boys' Chorus from Krakow Philharmonic Chorus
    Polish Radio National Symphony Orchestra

    Boris Godunov: Martti Talvela
    Grigory/Dmitri: Nicolai Gedda
    Pimen: Leonard Mroz
    Marina: Bozena Kinasz
    Rangoni/Shchelkalov: Adrzej Hiolski
    Varlaam: Aage Haugland
    et al.

    (1977) (EMI/EMI Classics)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoffmann View Post
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    For a budget recording, good sound and rather well sung.

    Conductor: Jerzy Semkow
    with:
    Polish Radio Chorus of Krakow
    Boys' Chorus from Krakow Philharmonic Chorus
    Polish Radio National Symphony Orchestra

    Boris Godunov: Martti Talvela
    Grigory/Dmitri: Nicolai Gedda
    Pimen: Leonard Mroz
    Marina: Bozena Kinasz
    Rangoni/Shchelkalov: Adrzej Hiolski
    Varlaam: Aage Haugland
    et al.

    (1977) (EMI/EMI Classics)


    I have six versions of Boris Godunov and this is my favourite.
    "The world calls them its singers and poets and artists and storytellers; but they are just people who have never forgotten the way to fairyland."
    Lucy Maud Montgomery

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    I just really had this desire to hear this recording again. This is not my favourite Mozart opera, but gawd it's brilliant. This was the first opera recording I remember ever buying. Knowing at least one of the arias already (words and all, it was "Madamina") I thought I would get it despite it being rather expensive.....however I must say that this recording is amazing beyond belief. It's the only CD recording of any opera in which I can actually almost see the action with my ears.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ComposerOfAvantGarde View Post
    ...gawd it's brilliant...
    ...I can actually almost see the action with my ears...
    It is a brilliant production and I too think that Jacobs paints this so well I can see it very clearly too.

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    Das Rheingold from this box


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    Meyerbeer: Vasco de Gama (original version of L'Africaine)
    Guibee Yang (soprano), Martin Gabler (bass), Kouta Rasanen (bass), Rolf Broman (bass), Bernhard Berchtold (tenor), Anton Reimer (tenor), Pierre-Yves Pruvot (bass), Claudia Sorokina (soprano), Tiina Penttinen (mezzo-soprano), Thomas Frob (tenor), Thomas Seidel (tenor), Bjorn Werner (bass), Stefan Kringel (bass), Tommaso Randazzo (tenor)
    Robert Schumann Philharmonie, Chor der Oper Chemnitz,
    Frank Beermann
    Recorded 4-7 February 2013 Operhaus Chemnitz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clayton View Post
    Meyerbeer: Vasco de Gama (original version of L'Africaine)
    Guibee Yang (soprano), Martin Gabler (bass), Kouta Rasanen (bass), Rolf Broman (bass), Bernhard Berchtold (tenor), Anton Reimer (tenor), Pierre-Yves Pruvot (bass), Claudia Sorokina (soprano), Tiina Penttinen (mezzo-soprano), Thomas Frob (tenor), Thomas Seidel (tenor), Bjorn Werner (bass), Stefan Kringel (bass), Tommaso Randazzo (tenor)
    Robert Schumann Philharmonie, Chor der Oper Chemnitz,
    Frank Beermann
    Recorded 4-7 February 2013 Operhaus Chemnitz

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    Any good, Clayton?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soave_Fanciulla View Post
    Any good, Clayton?
    First reaction from Yes man; Yes! It has drama, it has romance, it has some beautiful singing (mainly from Yang) and (musical) story that is coherent and absorbing. A very good opera and production; why is this not performed more?

    Though... aware that I am a Yes man, if I try to pick holes... Sometimes Beerman lacks some punch and continuity, waffles a bit. The singing from the cast is not the whole content of power and passion that the opera warrants. I have no comparison; this was my first introduction to L'Africaine opera, there is a lack of recent recordings in CDs and it is very high price.

    On balance, I am pleased with the recording and the experience but am unsure whether many others would be satisfied.
    6.977/10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clayton View Post
    Meyerbeer: Vasco de Gama (original version of L'Africaine)
    Guibee Yang (soprano), Martin Gabler (bass), Kouta Rasanen (bass), Rolf Broman (bass), Bernhard Berchtold (tenor), Anton Reimer (tenor), Pierre-Yves Pruvot (bass), Claudia Sorokina (soprano), Tiina Penttinen (mezzo-soprano), Thomas Frob (tenor), Thomas Seidel (tenor), Bjorn Werner (bass), Stefan Kringel (bass), Tommaso Randazzo (tenor)
    Robert Schumann Philharmonie, Chor der Oper Chemnitz,
    Frank Beermann
    Recorded 4-7 February 2013 Operhaus Chemnitz

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    I may be misinformed, and it's certainly nit-picking, but just as a matter of a theoretical point, I'm not sure this can be called original version in the sense that would imply that there is a modified second version. I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, that the only modification is the title. Meyerbeer wanted the opera to be named Vasco de Gama after the main character, the Portuguese navigator, but he died before the première. Subsequently, the title was changed to L'Africaine (I guess it sounds more exotic and has more commercial appeal) by François-Joseph Fétis, but I believe the music was not changed.

    So, later a critical edition was released (recovering the intended title) and of course there will be some musical differences because operas over time have a way to acquire spurious changes, and the function of a critical edition is to spell it all out and recover the composer's intention, but in my understanding there is just one L'Africaine version, with no substantive changes, regardless of the title.

    It's not the same case of say, different versions of Don Carlos authored by Verdi, or something like Le Siège de Corinthe versus Maometto II. It's the same opera, but the critical editor decided to restore the title that Meyerbeer had picked before he died. So, Meyerbeer never had the possibility of re-writing a second version, for the good reason that he was dead.

    Again, that's my understanding, but I could be wrong.

    By the way, it's a good opera, in my opinion. It's my second preferred Meyerbeer, after Dinorah (I can't stand Les Huguenots, and I think Robert le Diable is interesting but very uneven; Le Prophète and Il Crociato in Egito are so-so).
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva) View Post
    I may be misinformed, and it's certainly nit-picking, but just as a matter of a theoretical point, I'm not sure this can be called original version in the sense that would imply that there is a modified second version. I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, that the only modification is the title. Meyerbeer wanted the opera to be named Vasco de Gama after the main character, the Portuguese navigator, but he died before the première. Subsequently, the title was changed to L'Africaine (I guess it sounds more exotic and has more commercial appeal) by François-Joseph Fétis, but I believe the music was not changed.

    So, later a critical edition was released (recovering the intended title) and of course there will be some musical differences because operas over time have a way to acquire spurious changes, and the function of a critical edition is to spell it all out and recover the composer's intention, but in my understanding there is just one L'Africaine version, with no substantive changes, regardless of the title...
    I have little knowledge on Meyerbeer and his works but from information from the accompanying booklet I understand that the Belgian musicologist François-Joseph Fétis was brought on to the team by Meyerbeer's widow and a contract from the Grand Opéra to produce a performable work from Meyerbeer's material.

    Due to what he thought was inconsistencies in the libretto, along with a large number of cuts to the score he also made various changes to the score mainly in act three and five. There are a number of alterations and omissions made by Fétis from the material of Meyerbeer's work but we also know that Meyerbeer himself would have and frequently did make alterations during rehearsals.

    This edition has the work performed from the material at the time of his death.

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