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    Quote Originally Posted by Amfortas View Post
    Too many syllables. My version scans perfectly, while conveying the exact nuances of the original:

    "Crap! Crap! Everywhere crap!"
    Now I could see Beckmesser saying that!
    Necessities of life: food, water, air, shelter, and opera.

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    Upon further reflection, I don't think I fully encompassed the meaning of "Wahn." This version may come a bit closer:

    "Nuts! Nuts! Everyone's nuts!"

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    It's hard to beat that discussion on translating Wagner's words into English - I have my own version, but I decided it's just way too snarky for the Christmas season, so..

    Today's listen is one of my latest purchases:


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    I hadn't heard Mariella Devia's singing before, so was intrigued by this first outing. Her voice is no where as big as Sutherland's in my favorite Puritani (Decca w/Bonynge, Sutherland, Pavarotti, Ghiaurov and Cappuccilli), but she certainly hits those high notes cleanly and seemingly without effort. Unfortunately, the guys aren't so great. Ghiaurov/Cappuccilli are one of the great pleasures on the Decca - Sutherland is otherwise along for the ride.

    I also noticed that this CD set is on two discs, where two of the other sets I own (w/Sills and another w/Caballe) are on three discs. Callas, on EMI and Warner Classics Remastered also is on two. I am wondering about cuts, but can't really tell from listening if anything is missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoffmann View Post
    I also noticed that this CD set is on two discs, where two of the other sets I own (w/Sills and another w/Caballe) are on three discs. Callas, on EMI and Warner Classics Remastered also is on two. I am wondering about cuts, but can't really tell from listening if anything is missing.
    Maestro Serafin and a lot of his contemporaries apparently always performed I puritani with cuts. The recording with Callas is no different, whole repetition sections of Son vergin vezzosa and Vien diletto are omitted.

    The Devia recording is 2h 31min long, more than 20 minutes shorter than the Sutherland/Pavarotti, Caballé/Kraus and Sills/Gedda ones. It doesn't seem the same typical cut from the 50s — the mad scene is intact — but it's certainly cut somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amfortas View Post
    Upon further reflection, I don't think I fully encompassed the meaning of "Wahn." This version may come a bit closer:

    "Nuts! Nuts! Everyone's nuts!"
    So Wagner's house essentially is called Nut-Free?
    Natalie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soave_Fanciulla View Post
    Yes. For instance how are they going to translate "Wahn! Wahn! Überall Wahn!" which has got connotations that you simply can't have in a simple English sentence that takes the same time to sing.
    The translation used in the Chandos sung-in-English performance is,

    Fools! Fools! Everywhere fools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    The translation used in the Chandos sung-in-English performance is,

    Fools! Fools! Everywhere fools.
    Well, yeah, sure, you *could* do it that way. If you wanted to . . . like . . . you know . . . make sense.

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    Got a train journey today so dusted the cobwebs off this. The full title has got to be one of the longest.

    The Legend of the Invisible City of Kitezh and the Maiden Fevroniya

    "The world calls them its singers and poets and artists and storytellers; but they are just people who have never forgotten the way to fairyland."
    Lucy Maud Montgomery

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soave_Fanciulla View Post
    So Wagner's house essentially is called Nut-Free?
    Or Crazy Peace . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by sospiro View Post
    Got a train journey today so dusted the cobwebs off this. The full title has got to be one of the longest.

    The Legend of the Invisible City of Kitezh and the Maiden Fevroniya

    I love this recording sooooooooooooooooooooooooo much!

    Immediate change to Clayton playlist.

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    Yesterday's walk, which had to be cut short because of a cold, stiff breeze blowing in my face (only 6.4 miles). Had to finish listening at home :


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    This is regarded as one of Callas' most famous roles. Regardless of Callas' presence, I didn't have much of a feeling for the opera one way or the other, really, except I did notice that Renata Scotto was in exceptionally good, even impressive, voice in those days (1957..).


    Then, my eye caught sight of this opera I haven't listened to in about forever:


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    Lucrezia Borgia is a more beautiful opera than I remembered, and this recording from 1966 catches its principals in early and superb voice.
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    Necessities of life: food, water, air, shelter, and opera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoffmann View Post
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    This morning:


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    Lucrezia Borgia is a more beautiful opera than I remembered, and this recording from 1966 catches its principals in early and superb voice.


    This is regarded as one of Callas' most famous roles. Regardless of Callas' presence, I didn't have much of a feeling for the opera one way or the other, really, except I did notice that Renata Scotto was in exceptionally good, even impressive, voice in those days (1957..).


    Then, my eye caught sight of this opera I haven't listened to in about forever:


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    That was a bit confusing for a slightly dehydrated Clayton who, to be frank, isn't the brightest spark at the best of times...

    but I think Hoffmann is saying *good* to the Perlea Lucrezia Borgia...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clayton View Post


    That was a bit confusing for a slightly dehydrated Clayton who, to be frank, isn't the brightest spark at the best of times...

    but I think Hoffmann is saying *good* to the Perlea Lucrezia Borgia...

    Sorry about that. I just re-read my posting and, embarrassed, went thru and did edits which should have been done at the time of the posting. Cut and paste is a mixed blessing, I think. Geez.

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