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    Composed by an italian musician emigrated in England.
    The music has a russian flavor and it is set in America within the chinese community.



    Thanks again Schigolch :-)

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    I'm right in the middle of this; what do Rigoletto experts make of this recording?

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    Luigi Nono's Intolleranza 1960, in Mezzo TV.

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    I'm right in the middle of this; what do Rigoletto experts make of this recording?
    The make it or break it for this recording is whether or not you *can* like Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau as Rigoletto, a role that obviously is not well-suited for his thinner, elegant, German-lieder kind of voice with a high tessitura, as opposed to a truly Italianate Verdi baritone. But even if you don't buy this particular aspect of the casting for this recording (and some do like the fact that these characteristics of his voice add some pathos to the role), it still has many other qualities. Bergonzi is just spectacular as the Duca; Rafael Kubelik does a wonderful job and is better here than in other recordings of his, and Scotto at age 30 is probably not the best Gilda but is still very interesting, with a voice that had not yet acquired the unpleasant shrillness that some non-fans blame her for. Comprimario roles are also good with Vinco as Sparafucile and Cossotto as Maddalena. So overall I'd say that this is a very good rendition of Rigoletto, and would have been a total killer, up there with the very best, if they had a specialist in the title role instead of D F-D.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    The make it or break it for this recording is whether or not you *can* like Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau as Rigoletto, a role that obviously is not well-suited for his thinner, elegant, German-lieder kind of voice with a high tessitura, as opposed to a truly Italianate Verdi baritone. But even if you don't buy this particular aspect of the casting for this recording (and some do like the fact that these characteristics of his voice add some pathos to the role), it still has many other qualities. Bergonzi is just spectacular as the Duca; Rafael Kubelik does a wonderful job and is better here than in other recordings of his, and Scotto at age 30 is probably not the best Gilda but is still very interesting, with a voice that had not yet acquired the unpleasant shrillness that some non-fans blame her for. Comprimario roles are also good with Vinco as Sparafucile and Cossotto as Maddalena. So overall I'd say that this is a very good rendition of Rigoletto, and would have been a total killer, up there with the very best, if they had a specialist in the title role instead of D F-D.
    YES INDEED so whatever you like it or not, get other Rigolettos, lots of them: Kraus/Moffo/Merrill, Popp/Aragall/Weikl, Kraus/Scotto/Bastianini, Pavarotti/Sutherland/Milnes or Domingo/Cotrubas/MacNeil if you want another great DVD.

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    Giulini takes a broad, sweeping view of the score and makes Rigoletto sound more tragic than comic, with the balance favoring the orchestra more than the singers relative to most, if not all, other versions of this opera. The Vienna Philharmonic is the Vienna Philharmonic. Cappuccilli is not as heroic or menacing as Milnes but adequate. Gilda and Maddalena are fine; I like Cotrubas better than Sutherland of the second DECCA recording (haven't heard the first yet, where allegedly she sounds much better). Domingo's admittedly beautiful characterization unfortunately evokes the image of a sappy, naive beta male rather than the experienced, lecherous alpha womanizer the Duke ought to resemble; one notices a distinct lack of irony in Domingo's paeans to Love. Sound is clear but distant. Probably the best Rigoletto for Wagnerites of the A.C. Douglas variety.

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    Not a big fan of Angela Gheorghiu but this recording is really great, and I was thrilled to see that I got the whole libretto with translation on the CD. I just love this opera!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianwalker View Post
    Cappuccilli is not as heroic or menacing as Milnes but adequate
    Even more adequate, if he's not heroic. Since when is Rigoletto a heroic role. I remember having reservations for Bastianini's Rigoletto since he sounded too strong and heroic (I would mind it even more if I wouldn't care littely about these "psychological" aspects of opera).

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    I think Rigoletto is heroic in the sense that this is an intensely dramatic part -- just think of his condemnation of the courtiers in "Cortigiani, vil razza dannata," or his final despairing cry of "Ah! La maledizione!" I have the Giulini recording with Capppuccilli, and the Rudel version with Milnes. For my tastes, Milnes is by far the more compelling Rigoletto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne of Green Gables View Post
    YES INDEED so whatever you like it or not, get other Rigolettos, lots of them: Kraus/Moffo/Merrill, Popp/Aragall/Weikl, Kraus/Scotto/Bastianini, Pavarotti/Sutherland/Milnes or Domingo/Cotrubas/MacNeil if you want another great DVD.
    Popp/Aragall/Weikl, is hard to come by.

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    Even more adequate, if he's not heroic. Since when is Rigoletto a heroic role. I remember having reservations for Bastianini's Rigoletto since he sounded too strong and heroic (I would mind it even more if I wouldn't care littely about these "psychological" aspects of opera).
    Too gruff? I guess I'm just really inured to that kind of rough, heroic sound, being raised on the likes of George London and Gottlieb Frick and haven't yet developed the sensitive side of my palette yet. There was a time not immemorial when not a day passed by without the completion of at least five cycles of Hagen's Call in its entirety.

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    I'm cheating and listening to opera highlights on the cheap, but I find I like this better. I bought the opera one and found the Callas one at my local library. I'm working my way through Callas right now, and am enjoying it quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne of Green Gables View Post
    Even more adequate, if he's not heroic. Since when is Rigoletto a heroic role. I remember having reservations for Bastianini's Rigoletto since he sounded too strong and heroic (I would mind it even more if I wouldn't care littely about these "psychological" aspects of opera).
    No but you're right, "adequate" was a brusque and premature, impertinent label. I've been re-listening and realized much of appearance of lack of power and subtlety emanated from the distant sound.

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    I'm cheating and listening to opera highlights on the cheap, but I find I like this better. I bought the opera one and found the Callas one at my local library. I'm working my way through Callas right now, and am enjoying it quite a bit.
    This is not cheating. These compilations are excellent and for the most part contain great tracks with good orchestras, conductors, and singers. This is a very worthy collection, no wonder you're enjoying it. Listening to great operatic music doesn't need to only happen by listening to complete operas.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    My beloved I would sacrifice at the altar for a Verdi Coriolanus (instead of Otello), a Verdi Measure for Measure (instead of Falstaff)...

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    The Nessun Dorma was underwhelming. The proximity of this recording to his death has been noted.

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    My beloved I would sacrifice at the altar for a Verdi Coriolanus (instead of Otello), a Verdi Measure for Measure (instead of Falstaff)...
    I only wish Verdi had fulfilled his dream of a King Lear. And I wouldn't give up Otello or Falstaff for anything.

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