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Soave_Fanciulla
November 13th, 2016, 07:39 PM
Went to a lovely intimate concert last night with Simon O'Neill and the NZ trio - Mahler, Strauss, Bach and a new commission based on poems by Emily Dickinson (what was that woman on when she wrote?). It made me realise how much I miss Mahler with my self-imposed only opera listening. Must make an exception for him - at least the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 8th Symphonies, which used to be among my favourite music.

Clayton
November 15th, 2016, 10:45 PM
Went to a lovely intimate concert last night with Simon O'Neill and the NZ trio - Mahler, Strauss, Bach and a new commission based on poems by Emily Dickinson (what was that woman on when she wrote?). It made me realise how much I miss Mahler with my self-imposed only opera listening. Must make an exception for him - at least the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 8th Symphonies, which used to be among my favourite music.

Okay, I tried doing my own research but there are too many conflicting views out there. Please let me know what are Soave_Fanciulla's favourite recordings of these (or recommended), that are available at the moment?

Soave_Fanciulla
November 16th, 2016, 04:32 AM
Okay, I tried doing my own research but there are too many conflicting views out there. Please let me know what are Soave_Fanciulla's favourite recordings of these (or recommended), that are available at the moment?

I only have 1 of each, all bought in the eighties because they were there in the shop.

I definitely LOVE LOVE LOVE this:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/518ujh1GE9L._PJautoripBadge,BottomRight,4,-40_OU11__.jpg

One of the songs that Simon performed, from Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen, bore a striking resemblance to the 4th, which shows that it was not only Handel who raided his younger self for melodies.

Clayton
November 16th, 2016, 10:07 AM
There was an interesting book excerpt in the Guardian newspaper a couple of weeks ago from a book by Haruki Murakami and Seiji Ozawa that discussed Mahler. This had me interested in exploring, though some parts read as though maybe it's too complicated for me.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/nov/05/we-both-maintain-the-same-hungry-heart-haruki-murakami-and-seiji-ozawa-talk-music-art-and-creativity

Hoffmann
November 16th, 2016, 08:33 PM
I don't know Mahler's music - or orchestral music, for that matter, at all well. For me, if I'm listening to music and there isn't someone singing, I think there must be something wrong with my sound system.

Florestan
November 16th, 2016, 09:43 PM
I don't know Mahler's music - or orchestral music, for that matter, at all well. For me, if I'm listening to music and there isn't someone singing, I think there must be something wrong with my sound system.

Mahler has quite a few of his symphonies with singing, most notably the 8th which is all singing (music too of course). #2, 3, and 4 have some singing in parts. Can't remember on #9. I just went Mahler crazy back in June and now have nearly two cycles plus a number of miscellaneous symphony sets. Just saw Mahler #7 live last Saturday evening with Simon Rattle. Am listening to Mahler #2 as I write this post. Remarkable stuff.

Soave_Fanciulla
November 17th, 2016, 01:26 AM
Mahler has quite a few of his symphonies with singing, most notably the 8th which is all singing (music too of course). #2, 3, and 4 have some singing in parts. Can't remember on #9. I just went Mahler crazy back in June and now have nearly two cycles plus a number of miscellaneous symphony sets. Just saw Mahler #7 live last Saturday evening with Simon Rattle. Am listening to Mahler #2 as I write this post. Remarkable stuff.

JUust what I was going to say (no singing in 9), Number 8 is a mind blower. Mahler is definitely worth an explore. You could always start with his lieder.

Florestan
November 17th, 2016, 03:03 AM
JUust what I was going to say (no singing in 9), Number 8 is a mind blower. Mahler is definitely worth an explore. You could always start with his lieder.

Das Lied von der Erde would be a good one too.

Clayton
November 17th, 2016, 04:47 AM
Thank you for the pointers, I think I'm going to visit PC now and put some Mahler in the shopping basket

Ann Lander (sospiro)
November 17th, 2016, 11:13 AM
I don't know Mahler's music - or orchestral music, for that matter, at all well. For me, if I'm listening to music and there isn't someone singing, I think there must be something wrong with my sound system.

:laugh4:

I'm like that with ballet. I keep thinking 'lovely, but when do they start singing'?

Amfortas
November 20th, 2016, 08:35 PM
Okay, I tried doing my own research but there are too many conflicting views out there. Please let me know what are Soave_Fanciulla's favourite recordings of these (or recommended), that are available at the moment?

I'm a little late to the game here, but can't resist.

Of the symphonies mentioned, this is the #1 I have, perhaps the most highly regarded:

https://diablusinmusica.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/mahler-symphony-no-1-kubelik.jpg

For #2, this one is a classic:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51eX3HJ8CWL.jpg

I also have this one. Mehta is always hit or miss, but this is one of his best efforts.

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0001/030/MI0001030070.jpg?partner=allrovi.comp

For #4, this is the classic recording:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51VE77yNmFL.jpg

I also have this, an excellent and highly praised recent effort:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51mKa4MiA7L.jpg

I don't know #8 as well, but have this one. It's tremendous or terrible, depending on how you feel about Solti.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/510Fqyv96mL.jpg

And yes, it's the wrong thread for all this. :(

Clayton
November 20th, 2016, 09:59 PM
I'm a little late to the game here...


Thank you for this. I haven't pressed buy button yet, infact I'm still stuck on research. It seems to be one (subject of Mahler symphonies) that more than opera recordings maybe have strongly different opinions!
I quite like the discussion between Ozawa and Murakami about different emotionalism accross cultures that lead to different interpretations for (Mahler's) works and so was maybe over thinking about it and getting lost. I will see which of those are available at PC.

Oh and maybe we could move this discussion to a more suitable thread as it may help other users...

Florestan
November 20th, 2016, 10:09 PM
Thank you for this. I haven't pressed buy button yet, infact I'm still stuck on research. It seems to be one (subject of Mahler symphonies) that more than opera recordings maybe have strongly different opinions!
I quite like the discussion between Ozawa and Murakami about different emotionalism accross cultures that lead to different interpretations for (Mahler's) works and so was maybe over thinking about it and getting lost. I will see which of those are available at PC.

Oh and maybe we could move this discussion to a more suitable thread as it may help other users...

I like the Levine Conducts Mahler set which has symphonies 1, 3-7, 9 and 10. You can fill in the two gaps as you please. The set is very affordable used.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/517BdKwf85L.jpg

Amfortas
November 20th, 2016, 10:20 PM
Thank you for this. I haven't pressed buy button yet, infact I'm still stuck on research. It seems to be one (subject of Mahler symphonies) that more than opera recordings maybe have strongly different opinions!
I quite like the discussion between Ozawa and Murakami about different emotionalism accross cultures that lead to different interpretations for (Mahler's) works and so was maybe over thinking about it and getting lost. I will see which of those are available at PC.

I find it hard to judge purely instrumental performances. With opera, the singers are foregrounded, and I have an easier time deciding which vocal quality or technique I like best.

It's tough trying to sift through all the opinions on Mahler recordings. If you haven't seen it already, this site (http://www.musicweb-international.com/Mahler/index.html) makes an interesting read, though it's still just one person's opinion.

You may find, as with operas, that you like the Mahler symphonies well enough to acquire multiple versions. Not that I'm trying to make your life any more complicated. ;)

Amfortas
November 20th, 2016, 11:13 PM
I also highly recommend this Blu-ray set: Claudio Abbado conducting his hand-picked team of top international musicians at the Lucerne Festival.

http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia/ES/images_produits/ES/ZoomPE/5/4/7/0880242585745.jpg

It's only 1 through 7, but you can supplement with a powerful 9th, sold separately.

https://s.yimg.com/xd/api/res/1.2/ym_1uUQMObCBKRowH1TD5g--/YXBwaWQ9eXR3YXVjdGlvbnNlcnZpY2U7aD03MDA7cT04NTtyb3 RhdGU9YXV0bzt3PTU1NjtwPW9wZW5jdg--/http://nevec-img.zenfs.com/prod/tw_ec05-7/5b42b8d9-6c2d-43f0-96cb-1e06e595cb06.jpg

Sadly, Abbado didn't live to record the massive 8th or unfinished 10th. You can get the former, at least, in a Lucerne Festival Blu-ray conducted by Riccardo Chailly. You can check out many of these performances on YouTube.

Seeing the individual musicians from multiple camera angles gives an even better sense of Mahler's delicate, chamber-music scoring in many passages--along with his heaven-storming climaxes, of course.

Clayton
December 1st, 2016, 08:57 PM
After going round and round in circles deciding which pieces by Mahler I should try listening to first, I gave up and decided to buy the entire library of available recordings. Then I woke up and chose these ones with many thanks to all members for their kind help...

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Florestan
December 1st, 2016, 11:51 PM
I have this 8th from the Colorado Mahlerfest:
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0001/034/MI0001034923.jpg?partner=allrovi.com
CLIPS:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/mahler-symphony-8-mw0001838921

Amfortas
December 2nd, 2016, 01:59 PM
After going round and round in circles deciding which pieces by Mahler I should try listening to first, I gave up and decided to buy the entire library of available recordings. Then I woke up and chose these ones with many thanks to all members for their kind help...

Way to go, Clayton! I suspect these will not be your last Mahler purchases.

Florestan
December 3rd, 2016, 02:17 AM
This one just came in today's mail and is very good:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/614%2BRKmx5VL.jpg