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Couchie
January 6th, 2012, 05:25 AM
I recently got a TV and blu-ray player. Please recommend your five must-have most absolutely awesome opera blu-rays you have ever seen. (they must be blu-rays, no DVDs).

Any opera, any composer, any performance from stuffily traditional to crazy eurotrash. Thanks!

Couchie
January 6th, 2012, 05:28 AM
Hmmm, there seems to be some kind of scheme to this forum and reading the rules, I broke them. Sorry! Please take my apologies and move this thread wherever it should be!

Ann Lander (sospiro)
January 6th, 2012, 05:41 AM
I don't have a blu-ray but some of my favourite DVDs which are on blu-ray

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Not yet released but having seen the cinema transmission of the performance which was used I can recommend it in advance. ;)

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Couchie
January 6th, 2012, 06:07 AM
That Les Troyens is definitely a "lock in" for my first order of blu-rays. :happydance.2:

Soave_Fanciulla
January 6th, 2012, 06:42 AM
http://images2.static-bluray.com/movies/covers/6837_large.jpg http://images3.static-bluray.com/movies/covers/24698_large.jpg http://images3.static-bluray.com/movies/covers/4898_large.jpg
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Couchie
January 6th, 2012, 06:44 AM
The Giulio Cesare is also a "lock in". That's 2/5, 3 more for my first order!!

Aramis
January 6th, 2012, 11:52 AM
Four new:

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+ I second Cosi fan tutte posted by Fanciulla. I'd second Les Troyens too but there's no need if you're alread decided to get it.

Festat
January 6th, 2012, 01:42 PM
+1 for the Glyndebourne Così and the Madrid Barbiere.

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
January 6th, 2012, 02:51 PM
You have committed to buying two of the best already, the Giulio Cesare and the Les Troyens, now you do need to commit to the Glyndebourne Così which is one of the best operatic videos ever made in history, in my opinion. So 3, now you need to get selective for the other two. I'd recommend the 2005 Salzburg Traviata with Anna Netrebko and Rollando Villazón although I'm biased. Singing is not top notch there (Anna can do a lot better when she is not forced to be involved in so many acrobatics like she said herself in an interview) and conducting is not ideal either, but the acting and her looks are absolutely fabulous. That blu-ray is more fore the theatrical arts than for the music, but I still find it spectacular and it would be one of my desert island blu-rays (although desert islands don't come with electric outlets to plug in the player and the TV). Got 4. Now let me think of the fifth one. You may not be into operetta but this one should be an exception because it is a lot of fun: Die Fledermaus, the one with a bat on the cover (gotta go, no time to be chasing the cover images).

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
January 6th, 2012, 02:55 PM
Hmmm, there seems to be some kind of scheme to this forum and reading the rules, I broke them. Sorry! Please take my apologies and move this thread wherever it should be!

Hey, green monster, no harm done, technically it should be a question for the DVD/BR sticky Chat thread, but we're friendly folks here, let's not be control freaks, we can always move these posts there once the discussion dies out.

Dark_Angel
January 6th, 2012, 06:22 PM
Without repeating ones above I also feel these are also fabulous blu rays:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51m2xSykm-L._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51snomzPudL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JMFy29BRL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51udBfu-CyL._SL500_AA300_.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518ETLCDEgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

There are some parts of Netrebko Traviata that are a silly failure production wise.....but other parts are just smashing like opening "Brindisi"

Amfortas
January 6th, 2012, 06:44 PM
I don't have Blu-ray, but setting aside your two "locks" (which I too recommend), here are five of my DVD favorites available in that format:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IhE2BHGmL._SL500_AA300_.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ysDJW1RLL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41RBn6Kin9L._SL500_AA300_.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51p0EbfIvGL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51piit3sRaL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Soave_Fanciulla
January 6th, 2012, 07:01 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51piit3sRaL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Glad to see you are devoted to this. A combination of hilarity and exquisite beauty.

jflatter
January 6th, 2012, 07:37 PM
135

If you like Parsifal then this is the blu ray to get.

HarpsichordConcerto
January 6th, 2012, 10:58 PM
Excellent suggestions above. I need to throw in a Handel.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kNBPf4xWL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
January 7th, 2012, 02:25 AM
The Fairy Queen and Lohengrin quoted above are really outstanding, I'm kind of ashamed that I proposed Die Fledermaus on top of these, I take it back.

But here is a piece of filmed opera that is hard to match: one has the impression that one has opened a window over reality and is observing the real events (if they were real, that is), so convincing this blu-ray is - even though it has ups and downs (according to a review of it I wrote for another site), it's still obligatory buy for any opera lover:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51g6ozURT8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Soave_Fanciulla
January 7th, 2012, 02:27 AM
But here is a piece of filmed opera that is hard to match: one has the impression that one has opened a window over reality and is observing the real events (if they were real, that is), so convincing this blu-ray is - even though it has ups and downs (according to a review of it I wrote for another site), it's still obligatory buy for any opera lover:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51g6ozURT8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

The desire to see this again is what got me back into opera after a long hiatus. It is the Best. Opera. Film. Ever.

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
January 7th, 2012, 02:32 AM
Reading this thread, I'm thinking how privileged we are.
We're alive during the best possible time to be an opera lover.
We can have all these masterpieces at home with spectacular image and sound, to watch again over and over.

Amfortas
January 7th, 2012, 02:37 AM
Reading this thread, I'm thinking how privileged we are.
We're alive during the best possible time to be an opera lover.
We can have all these masterpieces at home with spectacular image and sound, to watch again over and over.

I'm inclined to feel the same way--but then I can't help but recall all those who lament the lack of really great singing nowadays. There may be some rose-tinted nostalgia at work there, of course, but it does raise the possibility that today's gains have had their accompanying losses as well.

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
January 7th, 2012, 03:07 AM
Sure, but this is something to be taken more globally.

First of all, we're too close to the current singers to pass judgment. When we think of past singers, we're looking at one century of recordings, and several generations. So we tend to pick the best of each generation and add them all up to say that "the past" was better. It is a bit unfair to the current generation, because they're just in the here and now, they don't benefit from an array of several generations in a row. We do have some outstanding singers around. Pavarotti has just passed away, and many of us (me included) had the privilege of seeing him live. As much as we make fun of Draculette for her antics, she has outstanding technique. Anna Netrebko has a timbre of voice of rare beauty. Renée Fleming has a long and distinguished career. People like Bryn Terfel, Simon Keenlyside, Jonas Kaufmann, John Relyea, etc, are pretty darn good singers. Are they as good as a Montserrat Caballe, a Callas, a Giuseppe di Stefano, etc? Probably not, but then, many people in these singers' generation weren't as good as they were, either. But you know, a Pavarotti and a Sutherland, to mention two recently departed, *were* as good. So, once we get some separation, we'll see that we did witness some rather outstanding singers who were alive while we are.

And then, think of other aspects.

Acting is ten times better today than before. While some of the past singers could act (case in point Maria Callas), most couldn't. Nowadays, the rule is decent acting rather than the exception.

Looks are also a lot more convincing with less suspension of disbelief.

Sound technology is far superior nowadays. Yes, the singers of the past were great, but all those clicks and hisses in the old LPs weren't that helpful. I have a few opera DVDs with DTS 7.1 sound, and oh boy, my 7.1 capable set up delivers some amazing fireworks. The total immersion sound experience is incredible. My rather high-end sound system in my car with 8 speakers gives me hours of immense pleasure during commutes and trips. This is something that older generations of opera lovers didn't have. Not to forget Met Opera on satellite radio, I can listen to endless hours and hours of opera 24/7 while driving anywhere. And think of iPods, I can cary 16GB of music in my pocket. And YouTube! Endless samples of great singles, complete operas, all for free!

Diversity of genres - we can listen to and see baroque, romantic, verismo, modern, contemporary, etc. People in the past were sometimes stuck with the dominant sub-genre of their time.

We've seen a rebirth of some neglected areas - now we have full access to Handel again, we have countertenors that produce sounds that are closer to what the castrati did. Belcanto is alive and well. And then, we have some rather amazing avant-garde and contemporary opera.

Stagings - also vastly improved. Some are very imaginative, and even though some Eurotrash can get disgusting, there are lots of impressive and compelling stagings that add to the experience.

Broadcasts to movie theaters from the Met, La Scala, Liceo, Covent Garden: another privilege that current opera lovers can enjoy all over the world.

And it's not like we can't listen to the singers of the past: we can, often with improved sound that is remastered, filtered to eliminate audience noise, digitized.

Think of audiophile high end equipment, pre-amps, sophisticated noise-cancelling headphones - they deliver unmatched aural experiences that our elders never got to feel.

All things considered, it is *a lot* better to be an opera lover today than 60 years ago.

AnaMendoza
January 7th, 2012, 03:08 AM
The Fairy Queen and Lohengrin quoted above are really outstanding, I'm kind of ashamed that I proposed Die Fledermaus on top of these, I take it back.

But here is a piece of filmed opera that is hard to match: one has the impression that one has opened a window over reality and is observing the real events (if they were real, that is), so convincing this blu-ray is - even though it has ups and downs (according to a review of it I wrote for another site), it's still obligatory buy for any opera lover:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51g6ozURT8L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

An obligatory buy for any opera lover--I agree. So I bought it...and gave it to my niece for Christmas! Time to check out the smilies. Yes, I think I qualify for some sort of :angel: award. (She's fairly new to opera--came to it by going to the Met HD showings, considers Carmen her favorite, and is a passionate Placido Domingo fan, knowing him mostly through recent performances--so I couldn't have picked anything better, I think.)

Couchie
January 7th, 2012, 03:09 AM
I have decided! :happydance.2:

My first batch:

1. Les Troyens
2. Giulio Cesare
3. Così fan tutte
4. Anna Bolena
5. Parsifal

I think this is a good mix to start... we have Baroque, Classical, and then Italian Bel canto, French Grand, and German Romanticism.

Apologies to Almaviva but i'm currently La Traviated-out, but I do want a Netrebko. The Anna Bolena intrigues me more than Bohème.


Follow-up question now, which is the best way to buy these? Amazon? Specialty classical stores? Interested in hearing where you guys get yours.

Also, thanks all and keep them coming! This is just the first batch of many!

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
January 7th, 2012, 03:21 AM
I use Amazon.com but not just their main service - I pay close attention to marketplace vendors who often have better prices, like MovieMars (I love them - cheaper, reliable, fast shipping; I have never had a problem with them). Then, there are sales from other vendors, such as Deep Discount, or Presto. You should also look at international vendors such as amazon.co.uk, or the French version - sometimes they have stuff that the US operation doesn't, and sometimes for lower prices.

The bottom line is, I shop around, I compare prices, and I get the cheapest one.

While these differences in price are often small, when you are a prolific opera buyer you should try to get as many discounts as you can, because when you add them all up at the end of the year, you've saved a small fortune, so that you can buy even more DVDs, CDs, and blu-rays. So, if I can get something for $2 less somewhere else than Amazon.com even if I have to wait for the delivery for a few more days, I'll go for it. I always have some unwatched/unlistened to stuff, so I'm rarely in a hurry to get the delivery, I can wait a little longer and save some bucks here, some there.

It makes a huge difference at the end of the year.

Oh, and get an Amazon Prime membership, it's more than worth it, you pay a flat fee and then no more shipping fees, I figure that I save a few hundred dollars every year for being a Prime member.

Couchie
January 7th, 2012, 03:38 AM
I use Amazon.com but not just their main service - I pay close attention to marketplace vendors who often have better prices, like MovieMars (I love them - cheaper, reliable, fast shipping; I have never had a problem with them). Then, there are sales from other vendors, such as Deep Discount, or Presto. You should also look at international vendors such as amazon.co.uk, or the French version - sometimes they have stuff that the US operation doesn't, and sometimes for lower prices.

The bottom line is, I shop around, I compare prices, and I get the cheapest one.

While these differences in price are often small, when you are a prolific opera buyer you should try to get as many discounts as you can, because when you add them all up at the end of the year, you've saved a small fortune, so that you can buy even more DVDs, CDs, and blu-rays. So, if I can get something for $2 less somewhere else than Amazon.com even if I have to wait for the delivery for a few more days, I'll go for it. I always have some unwatched/unlistened to stuff, so I'm rarely in a hurry to get the delivery, I can wait a little longer and save some bucks here, some there.

It makes a huge difference at the end of the year.

Oh, and get an Amazon Prime membership, it's more than worth it, you pay a flat fee and then no more shipping fees, I figure that I save a few hundred dollars every year for being a Prime member.
Good ideas, and I definitely just got inspired to do this! From Amazon's main service:

Amazon.com: $238.71
Amazon.ca: $306.45 (and threatening backorder)

Ah, Canada. :fish4: Oh well. It will be fun to buy from different vendors and have them pour in one by one rather than all at once in a brown amazon box anyways.

Couchie
January 7th, 2012, 03:47 AM
Actually in a strange world-tilting occurrence the amazon.ca Donizetti is a very reasonable CDN$17.99 so I have ordered that before the amazon people become aware of what must be some kind of mistake (the US price is $29.99)

Soave_Fanciulla
January 7th, 2012, 04:24 AM
There are often surprising price differences between the various Amazons - for example Amazon UK can be cheaper on some items (I have to factor in postage too from wherever I order).

As well as Presto Classical (http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/) (UK) don't forget ArkivMusic (http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/listPage.jsp?list_id=1267&page_size=100)(US) which has a good catalogue.

I'm going to enjoy watching Couchie join us in financial ruin. Pass the popcorn, someone.
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Couchie
January 7th, 2012, 05:16 AM
All ordered! I did pay a small premium to use only Canadian vendors for faster shipping and to avoid a potential customs/duty headache. Just have to wait now!


I'm going to enjoy watching Couchie join us in financial ruin. Pass the popcorn, someone.
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I believe I have figured out a loophole in my healthcare agreement whereas I could claim these as a naturopathic therapeutical expense. All I need is a doctor willing to "prescribe" opera DVDs. If only there were such an opera-loving doctor to be found... :biggrin:

Couchie
January 7th, 2012, 07:38 AM
Ooopsies, somehow the Glyndebourne Tristan ended up in my cart and was "accidentally" ordered... damn one-click checkout. :biggrin:

HarpsichordConcerto
January 7th, 2012, 09:36 AM
I have decided! :happydance.2:

My first batch:

1. Les Troyens
2. Giulio Cesare
3. Così fan tutte
4. Anna Bolena
5. Parsifal

I think this is a good mix to start... we have Baroque, Classical, and then Italian Bel canto, French Grand, and German Romanticism.

Apologies to Almaviva but i'm currently La Traviated-out, but I do want a Netrebko. The Anna Bolena intrigues me more than Bohème.


Follow-up question now, which is the best way to buy these? Amazon? Specialty classical stores? Interested in hearing where you guys get yours.

Also, thanks all and keep them coming! This is just the first batch of many!

Couchie, congratz! That's an excellent start. I love all of those operas. Parsifal is my favourite out of Wagner's oeuvre (I have three versions of it).

Ann Lander (sospiro)
January 7th, 2012, 10:05 AM
All ordered! I did pay a small premium to use only Canadian vendors for faster shipping and to avoid a potential customs/duty headache. Just have to wait now!

I believe I have figured out a loophole in my healthcare agreement whereas I could claim these as a naturopathic therapeutical expense. All I need is a doctor willing to "prescribe" opera DVDs. If only there were such an opera-loving doctor to be found... :biggrin:

Excellent suggestion, just think of the savings in the health-care budgets of governments throughout the world.


Ooopsies, somehow the Glyndebourne Tristan ended up in my cart and was "accidentally" ordered... damn one-click checkout. :biggrin:

:laugh4:

One-click is a very dangerous facility, I disabled mine.

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
January 7th, 2012, 12:36 PM
Excellent suggestion, just think of the savings in the health-care budgets of governments throughout the world.



But... but... Anna Netrebko raises my blood pressure!

HarpsichordConcerto
January 10th, 2012, 02:37 AM
Actually in a strange world-tilting occurrence the amazon.ca Donizetti is a very reasonable CDN$17.99 so I have ordered that before the amazon people become aware of what must be some kind of mistake (the US price is $29.99)

I think the price difference at times is simply because the staff did not update for revised currency exchnage rates, not surprisingly given the numerous products a seller might have online. But your Canada versus US dollar example wouldn't be currency exchange rate.

Couchie
January 14th, 2012, 03:30 AM
This is so frustrating! 3/7 have arrived (I also ordered a well-priced Turandot) but they're being held at my front desk only available for pickup from 9-6, during which I'm always working!!

Also I got my Visa invoice, I am beginning to understand the "financial ruin" sentiment... :culpability:

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
January 14th, 2012, 04:10 AM
Working? Working? Do you let something as mundane as work hinder your operatic enjoyment? Pfft... I knew that green monsters couldn't be trusted in their commitment to opera!:disgust:

Festat
January 14th, 2012, 02:51 PM
Also I got my Visa invoice, I am beginning to understand the "financial ruin" sentiment... :culpability:
It gets much worse. :devilish:

Ann Lander (sospiro)
January 14th, 2012, 04:53 PM
It gets much worse. :devilish:

Oh it certainly does. Once you've sold both grannies, you'll start sending the kids out to work.

HarpsichordConcerto
January 14th, 2012, 11:46 PM
This is so frustrating! 3/7 have arrived (I also ordered a well-priced Turandot) but they're being held at my front desk only available for pickup from 9-6, during which I'm always working!!

Also I got my Visa invoice, I am beginning to understand the "financial ruin" sentiment... :culpability:

Have it delivered to your work address.

rsmithor
March 9th, 2012, 04:54 AM
My fab five Blu-ray disc's...

234


235


236


237


238

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
March 9th, 2012, 01:37 PM
Oh, I had debated with myself whether or not I should buy that Messiah, so now it's another argument in favor of it.

myaskovsky2002
March 9th, 2012, 01:39 PM
This Eugene Onieguin sucks. Renee Fleming shouldn't sing in Russian
I was disappointed by La Boheme. Bad version, I gave it as a gift to a friend.
This Lohengrin is musically good, the mise en scene is a bit too moder for my taste.
This Nozze is the very best version I know.

I'd suggest:

239

and

240

Martin

Soave_Fanciulla
March 9th, 2012, 11:00 PM
This Eugene Onieguin sucks. Renee Fleming shouldn't sing in Russian.

Martin

This Eugene Onegin does not suck at all. It is brilliant, Renee's poor Russian diction or not.

If we just dismissed everything on the basis of non-native accents, a lot of good productions would be on the black list.

AnaMendoza
March 9th, 2012, 11:51 PM
I was disappointed by La Boheme. Bad version, I gave it as a gift to a friend.



Wouldn't it have been better to give it to an enemy? :confused:

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
March 10th, 2012, 02:27 AM
This Eugene Onegin does not suck at all. It is brilliant, Renee's poor Russian diction or not.

If we just dismissed everything on the basis of non-native accents, a lot of good productions would be on the black list.

According to RUSSIAN soprano Dina Kuznetsova in her exclusive interview [click here (http://operalively.com/forums/content.php/362-Interview-with-Dina-Kuznetsova)] with Opera Lively, Renée Fleming was phenomenal in this role. You know, we were talking with a very well informed lady. She has been studying the role since she was a grade school kid. She has listened to the greatest of the greatest Russian interpreters, then, she has performed the role herself to great acclaim in the main opera houses of this world. And she thinks that Renée Fleming was terrific. So was Mirella Freni, she says (and I agree). She also loved Waltraud Meier's performance of the role *in German*! This talented and well trained soprano educated in Moscow believes that poor accent or not, Renée Fleming was great. You know what? I'll take her opinion.

HarpsichordConcerto
March 10th, 2012, 06:19 AM
Oh, I had debated with myself whether or not I should buy that Messiah, so now it's another argument in favor of it.

Same here. Note that The Messiah is the most atypical of all of his oratorios. It is not a dramatic oratorio (the majority of his other oratorios were dramatic oratorios telling stories out the Bible, such as Theodora which I think you are familiar with). The text of The Messiah were straight out of the Bible. There is no dialogue, as in recitative-aria. So I imagine that production would try to bring out the message of the Biblical text. The text literally was quoting the scriptures as you might hear in a church service.

But the music is nonetheless excellent and it turns out to be one of Handel's most popular works more so than his operas.

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
March 10th, 2012, 06:33 AM
Yes, I love Theodora, and have a DVD copy of it that I much appreciate.
This Messiah is theatrically very daring according to reviews, and I had some hesitation.
But if it's good enough to be featured in one of our member's *top five* DVDs of all time, then I'll buy it.

HarpsichordConcerto
March 10th, 2012, 06:44 AM
This Messiah is theatrically very daring according to reviews, and I had some hesitation.


Yes, very interesting. Original audience was very suspicious that a topic central to their religion premiered in a threatre, instead of a church.

But I guess it could be a good avenue for you to listen to the work, which you probably might not have if it was not "staged". What the hell, if you're buying it, then so will I! The only reason why I hesitate was because I already have many versions of The Messiah on CD.

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
March 10th, 2012, 06:46 AM
All right, let's buy it!
And let's click on it from here (http://www.amazon.com/Handel-Messiah-Richard-Croft/dp/B003UIGZM6/ref=sr_1_2?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1331361966&sr=1-2), since it helps Opera Lively's bottom line!

PS - My copy is on its way.

Couchie
March 20th, 2012, 04:27 AM
I bought some stuff the other day.

I already have a bootleg of the Tristan but for some things people must be financially compensated.

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Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
March 20th, 2012, 04:32 AM
Looking at your selection, one would almost think that you like this guy, R. Wagner.:D

Couchie
March 20th, 2012, 06:43 AM
...Wagner? I thought these were all Mozart! :eek:

HarpsichordConcerto
March 20th, 2012, 08:58 AM
I bought this late last year, haven't viewed it yet. Do you have this, Couchie? (I already have two other Parsifal productions).

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Ex%2BH3RLcL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
March 20th, 2012, 03:39 PM
...Wagner? I thought these were all Mozart! :eek:

Oh, don't worry, they're about the same. I mean, except that with Mozart you can sing along.:D

Amfortas
March 20th, 2012, 10:20 PM
I bought some stuff the other day.

Great choices! I too have the Chereau Walküre, Müller Tristan, Kupfer Holländer, and Lehnhoff Lohengrin--my favorite DVD productions of each opera. I used to have the Götz Friedrich Tannhäuser on VHS; it may be the best video production currently available.

You have done well, my son.

Couchie
March 21st, 2012, 04:01 AM
I bought this late last year, haven't viewed it yet. Do you have this, Couchie? (I already have two other Parsifal productions).
It is dreamlike, bizarre, solemn, and incredible. The sets are unadulterated Regie yet the telling and atmosphere is fundamentally and respectfully traditional. For example the castle of the first act is post-apocalyptical, complete with bullet holes and and asteroid impact in the wall that levitates and dances during the glorious scene change interlude. And yet this scene is very moving and all the weirdness really works for what is certainly Wagner's weirdest opera. I probably don't need to expound on the excellence of Meier and Salminen well at home in their signature roles. The chap singing Amfortas simply *is* Amfortas. Picture on Blu-ray is spectacular and you can see every drop of sweat on the poor singer's faces.

Couchie
March 21st, 2012, 04:05 AM
Great choices! I too have the Chereau Walküre, Müller Tristan, Kupfer Holländer, and Lehnhoff Lohengrin--my favorite DVD productions of each opera. I used to have the Götz Friedrich Tannhäuser on VHS; it may be the best video production currently available.

You have done well, my son.
Glad to hear it! I'm particularly excited to see Jones sing both Venus and Elisabeth in the Tannhäuser.

jflatter
March 23rd, 2012, 08:27 PM
I bought this late last year, haven't viewed it yet. Do you have this, Couchie? (I already have two other Parsifal productions).

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Ex%2BH3RLcL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Its the best Parsifal on DVD in my book.

Couchie
March 24th, 2012, 12:43 AM
Its the best Parsifal on DVD in my book.
Do you really have a "best of" book? I'd like to see it.

Couchie
April 1st, 2012, 05:31 PM
The Wagners have all arrived and I'm making my way through them (in order, since I now have every opera on DVD). Dutchman and Tannhäuser were both amazing. Loved the reinterpretation on the Dutchman (proof Regie can work in the hands of a competent director) and Tannhäuser confirms my suspicion that it is Wagners most underrated opera. Can't wait to watch Lohengrin next weekend.

rsmithor
April 3rd, 2012, 09:25 AM
I just placed my order for "that" Messiah... I felt totally engaged after watching the many Youtube clips... I may not want to sit through a large-scale "static" stand and sing, oratorio ever again...

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HarpsichordConcerto
April 3rd, 2012, 11:33 AM
I just placed my order for "that" Messiah... I felt totally engaged after watching the many Youtube clips... I may not want to sit through a large-scale "static" stand and sing, oratorio ever again...

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As I wrote above, The Messiah is the most atypical of Handel's oratorios. His other oratorios were dramatic oratorios depicting Biblical stories that often worked well on a modern stage. Staging The Messiah was an interesting modern endeavour that didn't really add that much to telling the message of Christ (I'm not a Christian but I certainly "get" what the work was trying to do). "Yes, interesting" was my thought about that production. But don't let it dissuade you from other much more typical Handelian dramatic oratorios!

myaskovsky2002
April 6th, 2012, 03:51 PM
IMHO very often id doesn't make any difference Blu ray vs DVD. One that is incredible on Blu Ray is the Mehta's Ring...Why? Because it is kind or Star wars! Not very good singers but a wonderful orchestra and an amazing stage.

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HarpsichordConcerto
April 7th, 2012, 05:51 AM
IMHO very often id doesn't make any difference Blu ray vs DVD. One that is incredible on Blu Ray is the Mehta's Ring...Why? Because it is kind or Star wars! Not very good singers but a wonderful orchestra and an amazing stage.

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I remain totally undecided with this version whether to buy it or not. The only reason to buy it would be the amazing staging. So I keep asking do I need it watch a visually stunning staging that is weird?

Soave_Fanciulla
April 7th, 2012, 08:40 AM
HC you can watch the whole of the valencia Gotterdammerung on Youtube. It might help you make up your mind about the rest:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y_wpcn6aEs

Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
April 7th, 2012, 12:08 PM
It is a visually beautiful Ring. I think it is worth having, thinking about where the end result falls in terms of pluses and minuses. But there are some very, very big downsides, in terms of casting and musical values. It is very far from being one of my preferred Rings. But it is certainly curious, for the staging part.

rsmithor
April 8th, 2012, 09:32 AM
The Messiah, Blu-ray, arrived in the post, on "Good Friday"... My first thought was to view a small sample and then watch the whole thing with family Easter day... NOT... My sample viewing turned into watching the whole Messiah... I was riveted and held spell bound from start to end... so many surprises... orchestra, soloists, chorus... all never lost focus... even with the endless HD camera close-ups... the Blu-ray video/sound are outstanding... I can't wait to see it again on Easter Sunday, after the "spiral ham" and get everyone's reaction...

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Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva)
April 8th, 2012, 12:09 PM
Nice! I got it too. I haven't watched it yet. But judging by the words on the back cover (death, suicide), isn't it a bit sad for Easter?

Soave_Fanciulla
April 9th, 2012, 11:20 PM
Well Easter isn't really a barrelful of laughs anyway.

Couchie
April 14th, 2012, 11:57 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51p0EbfIvGL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

The stereo audio on this has very serious defects if you listen with good headphones. The 5.1 track on speakers is much better. Downgrading from my audio-technica headphones to some in-ear sennheisers made it listenable but considering how *good* this performance is and the sound as well, otherwise rich and sublime, it was very deflating! The sound engineer should be tarred and feathered! Still, thank you to the people recommending this one, it was awesome.

HarpsichordConcerto
April 15th, 2012, 09:06 PM
I must keep note then. Mine is wrapped in plastic, still new. Oh the shame!

Couchie
April 15th, 2012, 10:14 PM
I must keep note then. Mine is wrapped in plastic, still new. Oh the shame!
Also, the opera should be renamed "Ortrud" as even in the first scene when all she does is stalk around haughtily, Meier simply *owns* every scene she's in.

Couchie
April 16th, 2012, 02:57 AM
I'm halfway though the Boulez Ring. Loving it, so much better than Levine. THIS was controversial?? I'd say this is a traditionalist staging! Poor people of the 70's, wait till what Regie has in store for you in the 21st century!

Soave_Fanciulla
April 18th, 2012, 08:30 PM
Also, the opera should be renamed "Ortrud" as even in the first scene when all she does is stalk around haughtily, Meier simply *owns* every scene she's in.

I agree. She makes mincemeat of poor Elsa.

Meier is a legend. She even manages to make Waltraute interesting in the Ring.

Aramis
April 18th, 2012, 08:33 PM
Meier is a legend

Och. Who's that nice lady singing on all those CDs and DVDs then?

Amfortas
April 18th, 2012, 10:43 PM
I agree. She makes mincemeat of poor Elsa.

Meier is a legend. She even manages to make Waltraute interesting in the Ring.

Meier is great.

But so, I would humbly submit, is Waltraute. Any singer who can't make her tragic narrative compelling is definitely lacking something.

HarpsichordConcerto
April 20th, 2012, 12:47 PM
Couchie, this version of Tannhäuser looks intriguing. Anybody here have it?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNh3rkpUC-s

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yDNnqWuGL._SL500_AA300_.jpg