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    Quote Originally Posted by MAuer View Post
    I think the performance from the Salzburg Festival with Harteros, Kaufmann, and Hampson in the leads does have the complete crowd scene at the beginning of the Fontainebleau act. We see the wretched, starving people shivering in the cold winter forest before Elisabeth arrives and tries to comfort them. It certainly explains why she later gives in to their pleas and agrees to marry Philip, though she and Carlo have fallen in love.
    The old Met performance--still available on DVD--with Domingo, Freni, and Ghiaurov also opens with the lamenting crowd. That version still holds up pretty well; it's the one that first introduced me to Don Carlo and made the opera one of my favorites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soave_Fanciulla View Post
    Great idea. It would work much better!

    Also, what is Rodrigo up to? Does he think he will get further with his Flanders obsession if he gets the king on his side? Has he realised that Carlo(s) is a lost cause in the "strong political leader" stakes?
    It's funny, in a recent interview on Paris Opera's youtube channel Ludovic Tezier said he sees him as an Iago with benevolent intentions. But I kind of think he's just naive & reactionary. He's not thinking more than 1 move ahead in chess terms. Maybe a good production will at some point convince me of the opposite. He manipulates his friend, but he tells himself it's okay because it's for a good cause, but he doesn't seem to think through the consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soave_Fanciulla View Post
    Great idea. It would work much better!

    Also, what is Rodrigo up to? Does he think he will get further with his Flanders obsession if he gets the king on his side? Has he realised that Carlo(s) is a lost cause in the "strong political leader" stakes?
    Well, yes.......but it's a lot more complicated than that. it helps if you're familiar with Schiller's play......and this might help. I had better declare an interest,.....I wrote this!! It was part of a project to publish a volume of essays discussing Verdi's source material, but the editor seems to have vanished off the face of the earth......
    I would like to know what people think!!
    https://www.academia.edu/1578705/Ver...r_1_DON_CARLOS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemorino View Post
    It's funny, in a recent interview on Paris Opera's youtube channel Ludovic Tezier said he sees him as an Iago with benevolent intentions. But I kind of think he's just naive & reactionary. He's not thinking more than 1 move ahead in chess terms. Maybe a good production will at some point convince me of the opposite. He manipulates his friend, but he tells himself it's okay because it's for a good cause, but he doesn't seem to think through the consequences.

    About right.....I sent a link to a paper I wrote about this, if you read German you might like also to look at Schiller's BRIEFE UEBER DON CARLOS (link here) http://www.friedrich-schiller-archiv...er-don-carlos/

    in which he discusses in considerable detail how the character of Posa developed until he became the central figure (Schiller does actually refer to him as 'Der Held dieses Stueckes' (The hero of this play). And Schiller definitely saw him as morally ambiguous. That;s what makes him so interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemorino View Post
    It's funny, in a recent interview on Paris Opera's youtube channel Ludovic Tezier said he sees him as an Iago with benevolent intentions. But I kind of think he's just naive & reactionary. He's not thinking more than 1 move ahead in chess terms. Maybe a good production will at some point convince me of the opposite. He manipulates his friend, but he tells himself it's okay because it's for a good cause, but he doesn't seem to think through the consequences.

    BTW, I was able to watch the Paris production on ARTE, and I thought the staging was very effective....perhaps not perfect, but then what production of anything ever is? It was pared down and unfussy, and enabled the audience to focus on the complicated relationships between the characters. All the singers were wonderful, I thought.....this is one of the best versions of DON CARLOS I have seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonora View Post
    BTW, I was able to watch the Paris production on ARTE, and I thought the staging was very effective....perhaps not perfect, but then what production of anything ever is? It was pared down and unfussy, and enabled the audience to focus on the complicated relationships between the characters. All the singers were wonderful, I thought.....this is one of the best versions of DON CARLOS I have seen.
    As a huge Verdi fan I watched it and enjoyed it but I still prefer the Italian version.
    "Every theatre is an insane asylum, but an opera theatre is the ward for the incurables."

    FRANZ SCHALK, attributed, Losing the Plot in Opera: Myths and Secrets of the World's Great Operas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ann Lander (sospiro) View Post
    As a huge Verdi fan I watched it and enjoyed it but I still prefer the Italian version.
    The Italian version is the one we all 'grew up with', as it were.......but now I much prefer the French version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonora View Post
    The Italian version is the one we all 'grew up with', as it were.......but now I much prefer the French version.
    I grew up with this, came to the Italian version later, and have now realized it is NOT the original French version but the French version of the Italian version, expanded a bit!

    Natalie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soave_Fanciulla View Post
    I grew up with this, came to the Italian version later, and have now realized it is NOT the original French version but the French version of the Italian version, expanded a bit!

    That's the one I had (sold it). Can you recommend an original French version?
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    FRANZ SCHALK, attributed, Losing the Plot in Opera: Myths and Secrets of the World's Great Operas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ann Lander (sospiro) View Post
    That's the one I had (sold it). Can you recommend an original French version?
    I just looked up this one but I am gasping a bit at the price!

    Verdi: Don Carlos (Five-act French version)
    Joseph Rouleau (Philippe II), André Turp (Don Carlos), Robert Savoie (Rodrigue), Edith Tremblay (Elizabeth de Valois), Michelle Vilma (La Princesse Eboli), Gillian Knight (Thibault), Richard Van Allan (Le Grand Inquisiteur), Emile Belcourt (Le Compte de Lerme), Geoffrey Shovelton (Un Hérault Royal),...

    Natalie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soave_Fanciulla View Post
    I just looked up this one but I am gasping a bit at the price!

    Verdi: Don Carlos (Five-act French version)
    Joseph Rouleau (Philippe II), André Turp (Don Carlos), Robert Savoie (Rodrigue), Edith Tremblay (Elizabeth de Valois), Michelle Vilma (La Princesse Eboli), Gillian Knight (Thibault), Richard Van Allan (Le Grand Inquisiteur), Emile Belcourt (Le Compte de Lerme), Geoffrey Shovelton (Un Hérault Royal),...

    Thank you.

    I so want this. Amazon.uk have it for £38 and I'm very tempted.
    "Every theatre is an insane asylum, but an opera theatre is the ward for the incurables."

    FRANZ SCHALK, attributed, Losing the Plot in Opera: Myths and Secrets of the World's Great Operas

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    Or we can hope that a video of the recent Paris production is released commercially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ann Lander (sospiro) View Post
    Thank you.

    I so want this. Amazon.uk have it for £38 and I'm very tempted.
    They are pricey and they are... err... well rarely performed operas

    Sometimes these discs get sold out and seem to disappear forever. I've had my eye on a Pacini for a long time but it hasn't been reprinted and any vendors who have stock want ridiculous consideration.

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    It's a couple of years since I watched this and great to re-visit a favourite.
    "Every theatre is an insane asylum, but an opera theatre is the ward for the incurables."

    FRANZ SCHALK, attributed, Losing the Plot in Opera: Myths and Secrets of the World's Great Operas

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