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    Very tempting! Only $40.25 at Presto on sale!

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    Hello! New member here with a really bad Ring Cycle addiction.
    So far have 35 different versions on CD and am looking for advice on the following:
    Which release is the best for the two Furtwängler recordings (50 La Scala and 53 Radio)?
    La Scala - I have the Arkiv Release and one in a large flat box from "Intense Media"
    53 Radio - I have the EMI release, one in a cardboard case with a big Lightning Bolt on the cover (and all the CDs) and The budget realease from opera d'oro I think.
    Am I missing a version with better quality?
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giosue View Post
    Hello! New member here with a really bad Ring Cycle addiction.
    So far have 35 different versions on CD and am looking for advice on the following:
    Which release is the best for the two Furtwängler recordings (50 La Scala and 53 Radio)?
    La Scala - I have the Arkiv Release and one in a large flat box from "Intense Media"
    53 Radio - I have the EMI release, one in a cardboard case with a big Lightning Bolt on the cover (and all the CDs) and The budget realease from opera d'oro I think.
    Am I missing a version with better quality?
    Thanks!
    Welcome to Opera Lively! As for your question, I can't help, I don't know enough about Wagner recordings. Other members here are more knowledgeable about it, so let's hope someone will respond.
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    Thanks for the welcome! Just an update I found the Ascher Fisch Melba Australia SACDs on Ebay today for less than $100USD! They are shipping from Turkey to me in the US but the price was fantastic and the pics looks good and the listing says the discs are mint so fingers crossed!

    In case anyone is interested here is a list of my Ring Cycles:

    Moralt 49
    Furtwangerl 50 and 53
    Keilberth 53, 55
    Krauss 53
    Kna 56
    Kempe 57, 60, 61
    Konwitschny 59
    Solti Decca
    Karajan DG
    Bohm Bayreuth
    Swarowsky
    Goodall Engligh
    Holt English
    Boulez 100th
    Janowski (Studio and Live SACDS)
    Haitink Studio
    Levine Studio
    Sawallisch 68 and 89
    Barenboim Bayreuth and 2013 Proms
    Neuhold
    Kuhn
    Haenchen SACD
    Thielemann Bayreuth and Vienna
    Wiegle
    Simone Young
    Fisch Seattle
    Fisch Australia (on order)
    Zagrosek (on order)
    Zweden HK Phil (Naxos)

    Am I missing any important ones?

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    ^ I sure can't think of any others. I see you have Swarowski, which is a great ring IMO, and both Sawallisch Rings, the first one is a great historic Ring, and I like the second one very much for Behrens. And you have Goodall sung-in-English which is a must for any serious Ring collector. But I am no expert on Rings.

    You might want to read this 46 page paper (will pop up as a pdf linked off of MusicWeb-International site). It includes comments on singers, conductors, orchestra, and sound quality.

    Wagner’s Der Ring des Nibelungen - A comparative survey of 18 selected cycles
    by Ralph Moore
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    Thanks so much for this article!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giosue View Post
    Thanks for the welcome! Just an update I found the Ascher Fisch Melba Australia SACDs on Ebay today for less than $100USD! They are shipping from Turkey to me in the US but the price was fantastic and the pics looks good and the listing says the discs are mint so fingers crossed!

    In case anyone is interested here is a list of my Ring Cycles:

    Moralt 49
    Furtwangerl 50 and 53
    Keilberth 53, 55
    Krauss 53
    Kna 56
    Kempe 57, 60, 61
    Konwitschny 59
    Solti Decca
    Karajan DG
    Bohm Bayreuth
    Swarowsky
    Goodall Engligh
    Holt English
    Boulez 100th
    Janowski (Studio and Live SACDS)
    Haitink Studio
    Levine Studio
    Sawallisch 68 and 89
    Barenboim Bayreuth and 2013 Proms
    Neuhold
    Kuhn
    Haenchen SACD
    Thielemann Bayreuth and Vienna
    Wiegle
    Simone Young
    Fisch Seattle
    Fisch Australia (on order)
    Zagrosek (on order)
    Zweden HK Phil (Naxos)

    Am I missing any important ones?

    A Question: Considering this list, I would guess that you tend not to give them equal time - we all are prone to having favorites, after all. So, which two or three do you like the best, or listen to the most?

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    I haven't listened to them all yet. I am trying to listen to most of them by the time I see the Met's Cycle in March, but of the one Ive devoted time to so far the Karajan Ring is the one that excites me the most it's so different its like exploring the pieces for the first time each time I hear it after listening to some of the more traditionally conducted Rings.

    So my top Three so far:
    Karajan
    Boulez
    Solti

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    Here are all my Rings on CD:

    Sawallish 1989 and 1968
    Swarowsky
    Bohm
    Goodall (English)
    Levine 1988
    Barenboim
    Krauss
    Solti
    Furtwangler
    Janowski
    Neuhold

    It is hard to say what is my favorite. Perhaps Sawallisch 1989 (for Behrens) and Goodall, but I need to do a lot more listening. Not sure I even have listened to the Janowski or Barenboim Rings yet. If I were going to get rid of any one of these rings it would be Neuhold, which is a servicable but not noteworthy Ring.
    "Ah,non credea mirarti si presto estinto, o fiore." --Bellini, La Sonnambula (also written on his tomb).

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    You probably do know the Operadis database, which unfortunately is no longer being updated but is very complete up to the year when it stopped getting new entries. Here, the lists for the four Ring operas:

    https://www.operadis-opera-discograp...k/CLWARHEI.HTM

    https://www.operadis-opera-discograp...k/CLWAWALK.HTM

    https://www.operadis-opera-discograp...k/CLWASIEG.HTM

    https://www.operadis-opera-discograp...k/CLWAGOTT.HTM
    "J'ai dit qu'il ne suffisait pas d'entendre la musique, mais qu'il fallait encore la voir" (Stravinsky)

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    The database does respond to your question about Furtwängler's recordings of the Ring operas. You are missing one additional version although incomplete, also RAI, see that the cast is different from the 1953 one:

    Götterdämmerung by Richard Wagner performed in German

    Conductor Wilhelm Furtwängler - 1952(Act 3;RE)

    Orchestra - RAI Roma

    Chorus - RAI Roma

    Brünnhilde - Kirsten Flagstad

    Siegfried - Ludwig Suthaus

    Hagen - Josef Greindl

    Gunther - Josef Herrmann

    Gutrune - Hilde Konetzni

    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    Black Disc; - Fonit Cetra «Furtwängler Edition» FE 20 {2LPS} (1982)ª

    Compact Disc; - Music & Arts CD 866 (+Die Walküre Act 1) {2CDS} (1995)ª; Music & Arts CD 4866 (+Die Walküre Act 1) {2CDS} (1999)ª; Archipel ARPCD OO62 (+Die Walküre Act 1) {2CDS} (2002)ª

    ª(year of issue or re-issue)

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    And about the 1953, there are 3 releases. EMI, Angel, and Gebhardt. The Operadis entry does list all the publications that reviewed the recording so you might try to consult them for an appreciation of the sound quality:

    Compact Disc; - EMI CZS 7 67123-2 (Cycle) {13CDS} (1991)ª; Angel CDZM 67123 (Cycle) {13CDS}; Gebhardt JGCD 0060 (cycle) {12CDS} (2005)ª

    ª(year of issue or re-issue)

    This recording is reviewed in the following publications:

    (The) Gramophone - September 1972 p.461, p.539 [DC]; January 1973 p.1296 [DST] May 1986 p. [AB]; February 1991 p. [AB]; Septemer 2005 p.75 [MA]

    Fanfare - Vol.29 No.6 July/August 2006 pp.221-222 [HF]

    Orpheus - Januar 1973 S.60 - S.62 [KL]

    Opera Actual (Barcelona) - No.85 noviembre 2005 p.87 [VM]

    Stereophile - May 1991 (Vol.14 No.5) p.176

    Comments:- Recorded October, November 1953; See HIGH FIDELITY October 1965 Vol.15 No.9 pp.32-40 for information on earlier attempts to publish this recording. See also«So war mein Weg» by Martha Mödl pp.109-110
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    As far as the 1950 La Scala one, there seems to be a recording of a different performance as well, see the end of the entry:

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    Compact Disc; - Fonit Cetra CDC 28; Music & Arts CD-914(cycle); Gebhardt JGCD 0018 (cycle) {12CDS} (2000)ª; Urania «Archivo Storico» URN; 22.154 {4CDS} (2001)ª

    ª(year of issue or re-issue)

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    This recording is reviewed in the following publications:-

    (The) Gramophone - October 1976 p.654 [AB]; December 1996 p.151; February 2001 p.105, p.106, p.108 [AB]

    Opera - June 1997 p.748

    Opera Now - November/December 1996 p.111

    Opera News - October 1996 p.44

    Fanfare - Vol.18 No.5 May/June 1995 p.374; Vol.20 No.2 November/December 1996 p.416

    Orpheus - Juli 1997 S.14

    Opera Quarterly - Vol.1 No.3 p.276

    Diapason - No.479 mars 2001 p.113 [AT]

    L'Avant Scène Opéra - No.165 p.154

    International Record Review - June 2000 pp.112-114 [MA]

    Classic CD - November 1996 p.98

    BBC Music Magazine - December 1996 p.77*EXP May 2000 p.8 [SJT]

    Classical Express - May 2000 p.8 [SJT]

    American Record Guide - January/February 1997 Vol.60 No.1 pp.239-241

    ARSC Journal - Vol.28 No.2 Fall 1997 p.245 [GAG]

    Opera Actual (Barcelona) - No.58 marzo 2003 p.86 [MC]

    Répertoire - No.170 juillet-aoüt 2003 pp.114-115 [TP]

    Comments:- Recording of a performance at La Scala (April 4 1950). Arkadia has published a set of 4 CDs(WFE 364.4 or 362 014) which is said to be of a performance on April2 1950. (See ORPHEUS, March 1995 p.61, Wagner News, No.110 July 1995 p.17, Répertoire No.82 p.87). The review in the ARSC Journal describes a very careful comparison of this recording with the others and the reviewer [GAG] concludes that it is indeed of a different performance

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    Wow, thanks for all of this! I'm going to dive into it and see which recordings I actually have and which performances they are!

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