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    Levine - traditional,
    Barenboim - Bayreuth NOT La Scala! abstract, has some weird things in it like why do the characters keep falling down but kind of neat too.
    Boulez - set in the industrial revolution time, very good
    A famous production that outraged Bayreuth when performed, but now considered a classic.

    I enjoy all 3. Last time I checked the Boulez and Barenboim/Bayreuth are on youtube, if you'd like to check them out.

    I have Boulez and Barenboim on cd and love them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarThrower View Post
    The Barenboim is on sale for only 21 dollars at Presto. The newer (2012 Met) DVD looks pretty nice, but it's a hundred dollars.
    The newer Met is the famous "machine" Ring. Spectacular in places, but doesn't work in others. Excellent quality audio/video, but a weak voiced Siegfried.
    You might like it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    The newer Met is the famous "machine" Ring. Spectacular in places, but doesn't work in others. Excellent quality audio/video, but a weak voiced Siegfried.
    You might like it though.
    My fear with the machine is that it is like thinking of the dentist drilling your teeth and feeling creepy about it. So with the Machine. I can't help thinking something will go very wrong and a singer will be sliced and diced by the machine.

    I bought the whole de Billy Ring on DVD but haven't watched it. Also bought Haenchen's Rheingold and have not watched it. So I can only say that I really like the Levine set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post

    Last time I checked the Boulez and Barenboim/Bayreuth are on youtube, if you'd like to check them out.
    Thanks for the heads up! I just bought a new Vizio 40" Smart TV, so I will definitely watch those.

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    Sawallisch Ring (should be 1989) is on You Tube, but no subtitles. These are not availabe on DVD so far as I am aware. Here is Rheingold. Recommend finding all of it on You Tube before you start watching, but last I looked they all were there, the other three in two videos each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarThrower View Post
    Thanks for the heads up! I just bought a new Vizio 40" Smart TV, so I will definitely watch those.
    FYI The Boulez and Levine are 4:3 picture format.
    The Barenboim and Met machine are the modern 16:9 full screen picture.

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    I wanted ask you guys about Der Fliegende Hollander on CD. There seems to be a lot of good ones. Which one of those early 60s Sawallisch recordings is in stereo? And which one do you recommend overall? And what about some of the other budget priced CDs? There's Klemperer '68, Friscay on Eloquence, and Konwitschny reissued on Brilliant Classics.

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    ^^^The Philips Sawallisch with Silja and Crass is stereo, but hard to get right now.
    As far as stereo goes the Klemperer is a classic recording and the new remaster is fantastic on Warner.
    I think it would be my favorite studio recording. I do like Konwitschny as well.
    There is an excellent stereo live from Bayreuth by Keilberth on Testament 1955 which is excellent.

    For historic mono recordings the Orfeo Knappertbush '55 live from Bayreuth is an awesome performance. For me, the best of all the Bayreuth recordings.
    Sawallisch's '59 mono Orfeo Bayreuth is a good one too.
    Both have good mono sound and the Sawallisch is also available on Myto very inexpensively.

    ps, there are 2 versions of Fliegender: the original and the revised version Wagner revised later. Conductors seem to like a combo of both.
    One has 3 separate acts, the revised is one continuous act with a redemption ending.
    No big deal, I guess, but I prefer the redemption ending which instead of the earlier abrupt ending has a Tristan like ending.
    Sawallisch and Klemperer and Keilberth use the original.
    Knappertsbusch and Konwitschny the revised.

    So, the remastered Klemperer for a studio stereo recording
    For the best performance Knappy '55 is my pick.
    For a stereo live Bayreuth the '55 Keilberth on Testament wins.

    On a budget the '59 Sawallisch on Myto can't be beat for a live performance.

    If you want a live stereo version the '55 Keilberth is the one.
    My personal pick is the '55 Knappy on Orfeo.

    Ask more questions if you need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarThrower View Post
    I wanted ask you guys about Der Fliegende Hollander on CD. There seems to be a lot of good ones. Which one of those early 60s Sawallisch recordings is in stereo? And which one do you recommend overall? And what about some of the other budget priced CDs? There's Klemperer '68, Friscay on Eloquence, and Konwitschny reissued on Brilliant Classics.
    My favorites are:
    Klemperer with Anja Silja
    Von Dohnanyi with Hildegard Behrens
    Sinoploi with Cheryl Studer
    And the Chandos Sung-in-English set with Nina Stemme, which is quite good.

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    Thanks for the detailed post, Itullian! I've been combing the entries at Presto Classical and Amazon.I'm leaning towards the Klemperer for starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarThrower View Post
    Thanks for the detailed post, Itullian! I've been combing the entries at Presto Classical and Amazon.I'm leaning towards the Klemperer for starters.
    Other places to check for historic recordings:

    http://www.norpete.com/

    https://www.belcantosociety.org/

    The norpete site had the Sawallisch 1968 Ring on MYTO for $10 each on clearance last summer. I grabbed the three they had. Unfortunately the lowest online price for Walkure is about $150 used.
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    Thanks, Florestan! I'll take a look.

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    This came out last year but I can't find either on Amazon. Is it not released in the USA? More info here. Strange cover, looks like the Dutchman is inside a washing machine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva) View Post


    My advice:

    If you like your Tannhäuser with a complete overture instead of having it cut in half so that you're suddenly thrown right into the Bacchanal, don't buy this.
    If you like naked breasts, buy this (they're beautiful).
    If you hate Eurotrash, don't buy this.
    If you like your Venusberg to be a surrealistic Bosch-like nightmare with lots of naked breasts and a woman-eating crocodile who gobbles another topless woman, buy this.
    If you like your Hall of Music to actually look beautiful as intended, don't buy this.
    If you like your Heinrich Tannhäuser to be interpreted by a singer who is not 30 years past his prime and doesn't have an awful, embarrasing wobble like René Kollo in this production, don't buy this.
    If you like your Venus to be absolutely gorgeous looking, very sexy, the ultimate incarnation of seduction, the ultimate Goddess of Love with a beautiful voice to boot like Waltraud Meier in a breathtaking performance, buy this. (Sorry, *her* breasts are not part of the show, but at least she's got nice cleavage).
    If you don't like silly political symbolism like a big Berlin wall with the words Germania Nostra, don't buy this.
    If you like your opera videos to have a few more colors than black, white, and gray, don't buy this.
    If you love ugly depressing settings, buy this.
    If you want your Wolfram, your Landgrave, and your Elisabeth with good acting and singing skills (Bernd Weikl just a little passed his prime but still pretty good, and excellent Jan-Hendrik Rootering and Nadine Secunde, almost a show stopper), buy this.
    If you want a good conductor, don't buy this (it's Mehta - although he is not terrible here).
    If you like your choruses to be superb like the Chorus of the Bayerische Staatsoper, buy this.
    If you like your DVD to have a booklet that has more than just a list of chapters, don't buy this.

    So, obviously a mixed bag. It's almost worth buying for Waltraud Meier, but Venus doesn't stick around as you know. René Kollo pretty much ruins it, in spite of the notable effort by Weikl, Rootering, and Secunde to save it. If the Eurotrash aspects had been kept in the first act only, it would have been a valid contrast between Venusberg and Thuringia, but the way it was done pretty much ruined the whole thing - there is virtually no difference between the settings.

    I think in summary the negatives outweigh the positives, so if you're not a passionate fan of Waltraud Meier, stay away.
    Well, I guess I should have looked at this thread first, but I got this set and burned it to MP4 to watch later. I did turn the first part into a MP3 so I don't have to watch the nudity. So we'll see how the rest of this one goes.
    "Music is enought for a whole lifetime--but a lifetime is not enough for music." --Sergei Vasilyevich Rachmaninoff

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