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    1. Tristan und Isolde- Wagner
    2. The Magic Flute- Mozart
    3. Le nozze di Figaro- Mozart
    4. Don Giovanni- Mozart
    5. La Traviata- Verdi
    6. Der Ring des Nibelungen- Wagner
    7. Salome- Richard Strauss
    8. Parsifal- Wagner
    9. Der Rosenkavalier- Richard Strauss
    10. Madama Butterfly- Puccini
    11. Orphée et Eurydice- Gluck
    12. Cose fan tutte- Mozart
    13. Lucia di Lammermoor- Donizetti
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    Quote Originally Posted by ComposerOfAvantGarde View Post
    Ehhh, that Zauberflöte is pretty silly. And it's overrated. What's the point?
    We are not amused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amfortas View Post
    We are not amused.
    I'm not particularly amused by that opera either.
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    a life in Hell can still aspire to BLISS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComposerOfAvantGarde View Post
    I'm not particularly amused by that opera either.
    Are you serious? I can relate to the humor... but do you really think that Die Zauberflöte is no good?

    It's brilliant, brilliant, brilliant music!!!

    I must respect your taste... but there are certain works of art that have achieved such consensus, and have stood the test of time so well, that it is kind of mind-boggling that someone wouldn't at least see their value, even though the person might not be a fan.

    The three Mozart-Da Ponte operas + The Magic Flute in my opinion are among this kind of fool-proof very select group of operas that are kind of above any possible criticism, given their exquisite and spectacular quality.

    I mean, they're rather flawless! Brilliant! Sublime!

    It is very, very hard to achieve this level of perfection. They're hors concours!

    Sorry for the rant.
    Last edited by Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva); June 28th, 2012 at 02:50 PM.
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    Die Zauberflöte is not my favourite either (it's a hot mess, really) but it remains the only opera that has driven me to tears... !
    Last edited by Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva); June 24th, 2018 at 10:17 AM.

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    Aren't the Mozart-Da Ponte operas just three?

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    ComposerOfAvantGarde- Ehhh, that Zauberflöte is pretty silly. And it's overrated. What's the point?

    Blasphemy! Blasphemy! It's pistols at dawn!!!

    Oh... and by the way... Ligeti sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Festat View Post
    Aren't the Mozart-Da Ponte operas just three?
    WHAAAAT? You didn't know that Lorenzo Da Ponte infiltrated Austria under disguise, learned German in ten days, and wrote the libretto for Die Zauberflöte under the pseudonym of Emanuel Schikaneder? He even took singing lessons and sung in the premiere! Oh my God, the youth of today, we have to teach them *everything!*

    Now, seriously, my bad. Of course I know that there are only 3 Mozart-Da Ponte operas, I was just thinking of Mozart's top 4 (which are of course the 3 Da Pontes + The Magic Flute) and the mistake slipped through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchie View Post
    Die Zauberflöte is not my favourite either (it's a hot mess, really) but it remains the only opera that has driven me to tears... this scene!
    Messy or not, it's gorgeous uplifting, elegant music... the Papageno arias are a hoot, the Sarastro ones are beautiful, the Queen of the Night two arias are spectacular coloratura fireworks... only a genius like Mozart could put together this much variety and entertainment in an opera, and it is not surprising that it remains so wildly popular more than 300 years later. I mean, the test of time - not just sheer popularity per se - is testimony of this opera's amazing quality. Not only it is very popular, but it *remained* popular throughout history. Are there better ones? Sure. But I don't think it *can* be sustained that The Magic Flute is not a good opera. It's not my favorite Mozart either, I do place the Da Ponte trio ahead of it, but it is for me a solid fourth in Mozart's operatic compositions, and being the fourth best Mozart opera pretty much guarantees that it is better than 99.9% percent of all operas ever composed.

    Hm... I'm just thinking of what I've just said. There's been 40,000 operas. 0.1% of it is 40. Who can say that The Magic Flute is not among the top 40 operas of all time?

    So yes, definitely, being Mozart's 4th best opera *is* being better than 99.9% of all operas ever written. So, we need to get some perspective here.

    While it may suffer (in a limited way) when compared to Don Giovanni, The Marriage of Figaro, and Cosi Fan Tutte, it is still a pretty darn good opera, written by an absolute genius, and very, very, very rarely matched in terms of overall quality.

    Oh wow, I just found a very pleasant clip with a young Diana Damrau doing the Queen of the Night:

    Last edited by Luiz Gazzola (Almaviva); June 28th, 2012 at 03:28 PM.
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    I'm not that fond of Magic Flute either. I adore couple of numbers but as a whole it often bores me too. The scenes with Sarasto, magic boys, Tamino approaching the temples, even arias by Papageno which are tuneful but not in the same way as those great Mozart's arias that you can't get out from your head after you hear them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis View Post
    I'm not that fond of Magic Flute either. I adore couple of numbers but as a whole it often bores me too. The scenes with Sarasto, magic boys, Tamino approaching the temples, even arias by Papageno which are tuneful but not in the same way as those great Mozart's arias that you can't get out from your head after you hear them.
    Blasphemy! Blasphemy!

    Oh, and by the way, Juan Diego Florez sucks!

    [Editor's note to the intention of JDF if he ever bumps into this: I'm kidding! It's an insider joke!]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almaviva View Post
    [Editor's note to the intention of JDF if he ever bumps into this: I'm kidding! It's an insider joke!]
    Why do I never dig those insider jokes.

    I'm stranger to this forum.

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    I tend to agree with Aramis and other members, and I'm not that fond of The Magic Flute myself.

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    I love The Magic Flute, though I wouldn't say it (or any of the Mozart operas) are above criticism.

    Well, OK, maybe Marriage of Figaro.

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    Here are mine, in no particular order.

    1) Die Frau ohne Schatten - Richard Strauss
    2) Die Zauberfloete - W.A. Mozart
    3) L'Orfeo - C. Monteverdi
    4) Elektra - R. Strauss
    5) Tosca - Puccini
    6) Les Paladins - Rameau
    7) Les Boreades - Rameau
    8) Cosi fan tutte - Mozart
    9) Fidelio - Beethoven
    10) Mitridate - Mozart
    11) Hansel & Gretel - Humperdinck
    12) Falstaff - Verdi
    13) Lohengrin - Wagner

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